What is Your Unofficial Top-10 Women's World Ranking

Discussion in 'Women's International' started by ankhman, Jul 13, 2003.

  1. Ludahai

    Ludahai New Member

    Jun 22, 2001
    Taichung, Taiwan
    How the heck does Taiwan merit a ranking of #59 below Panua New Guinea, Tonga, and Gabon? Granted, Taiwan didn't do well in the most recent Asian championships, but it wasn't that long ago that they were in the championship match of the thing.
     
  2. DennisM

    DennisM Member

    Dec 10, 2000
    Nya Sverige
    General consensus is that they put more weight into recent games(South Pacific Games for those teams) as well as blowout(Hence, the reason Australia is so high. Well, higher than they should be. Or New Zealand for that matter) and regional matches too.
     
  3. NYC ugly

    NYC ugly Member

    Aug 7, 2000
    Very near my computer
    1. North Korea
    2. Germany
    3. Canada
    4. The Yanks
    5. Norway
    6. China
    7. Brazil
    8. Sweden
    9. Russia
    10. France

    I pick Canada to win WC 03.
     
  4. nordby1

    nordby1 Member

    Sep 4, 2001
    SAN DIEGO
    Club:
    Lillestrom SK
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    Post WWC Top 10 Rankings

    This was an interesting thread to look at after the completion of the WWC. Almost everyone agreed on at least eight of the countries that belonged in the Top 10 but I was surprised to see that only half of the predictions had Germany in the top two spots.

    In any event, here's what my Top 10 Rankings would have been as of October 13, 2003:

    1. Germany
    2. USA
    3. Sweden
    4. Brazil
    5. Norway
    6. Canada
    7. China
    8. France
    9. North Korea
    10. Denmark

    Even though Sweden finished second in the tournament, that had a lot to do with the way the brackets were set up so I would still rank the USA higher than Sweden. I'm sure this was discussed before, but if the FIFA rankings were used to set up the draw, then why weren't the brackets set up so that #1 would play #4 and #2 would play #3 in the semis if all of the top seeds ended up making it that far. :confused:

    If this had been the case, the U.S. would have played Canada in the semis and Germany would have played Sweden. If the results had been the same, Germany would have played the U.S. in the final.

    France was very unlucky to get drawn into the same group as Norway and Brazil and IMO would have advanced to the quarterfinals if they had ended up in Group D instead of Russia. After finishing fourth despite losing six defenders, Canada proved that at the very least they deserve to be ranked in the Top 8. I had a feeling before the World Cup started that North Korea really shouldn't have been ranked as high as they were by FIFA and I was really surprised that some of the posters in this thread actually ranked North Korea higher than Germany and one person even ranked North Korea #1. :eek: I don't really think that North Korea should be ranked in the Top 8 until they prove that they can defeat one of the other countries ranked in the Top 8 other than China.

    Several key injuries prior to the start of the WC exposed Norway's lack of depth and China turned out to be the biggest disappointment of the tournament, barely winning "the Group of Dearth" and then losing to injury plagued Canada in the quarters. I don't know if there are plans to play another Four Nations Tournament in China anytime soon, but after their performances in this WC, I don't think that Norway and China belong in the Top 4. Perhaps the next Four Nations Tournament should instead be held in Brazil or Sweden.
     
  5. nordby1

    nordby1 Member

    Sep 4, 2001
    SAN DIEGO
    Club:
    Lillestrom SK
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    StrengthRanking.Com??

    I'm not sure what the rankings were back in August, but the rankings for matches played through September 12th weren't that far off the mark for the most part at least with the Top 12. However, there was at least one glaring exceptions since there is no way that New Zealand should be ranked only one spot below Norway at #9. FIFA's ranking of Japan at #14 also seems more appropriate than #10 as well.
    I wouldn't have a problem with ranking Norway as low as 4th prior to the start of the WC, but they apparently got penalized severely in these rankings for their 1-1 draw at home to Denmark which for some reason is only ranked at #40. :confused:
     
  6. JoeSoccerFan

    JoeSoccerFan Member+

    Aug 11, 2000
    Hmmm. 3 months later, my top 10:
    1. Germany
    2. US
    3. Sweden
    4. China
    5. Norway
    6. Brazil
    7. Canada
    8. North Korea
    9. France
    10. Russia

    (essentially re-arranged, dropped Nigeria - added Russia)
     
  7. auger9

    auger9 New Member

    Apr 24, 2003
    Ontario
    that looks good to me!
    and they already said Germany was ranked #1 after the semis, so no worries about that, unless they were messing with our minds...
     
  8. sexysadie

    sexysadie Red Card

    Sep 29, 2003
    somewhere on earth

    if Germany able to maintain its performance as it has been, they might be climbing up to the top next time around but, the Korean only has good record in Asia only, thats not enough...
     
  9. bostonbully

    bostonbully New Member

    Aug 21, 2003
    Boston, MA
    Sweden/Norway

    Looking at your top 10 lists makes me yearn for a Sweden-Norway match. Both would put their hearts into it. Sweden would want to prove it is indeed better than Norway. Norway would want to redeem itself, especially considering that it'll be [sadly] out on the sidelines come Oly '04.

    Does anybody know their history of most recent matches and results? Any thoughts on who would win should they face each other today? Do you think these top 10 lists would then change? Or do you think Norway is banged up and not what they once were? Or perhaps have they stood still while the rest of the world has caught up, much like the Americans?

    BTW, the top 10 lists look pretty good, especially in moving China down from their perch.
     
  10. DennisM

    DennisM Member

    Dec 10, 2000
    Nya Sverige
    03/14/03 Norway 1 Sweden 1 Algarve Cup

    03/03/02 Norway 3 Sweden 3 Algarve Cup

    05/13/01 Norway 3 Sweden 1 Friendly

    01/12/01 Norway 2 Sweden 1 Friendly

    06/30/99 Norway 3 Sweden 1 World Cup

    03/16/99 Norway 2 Sweden 1 Algarve Cup

    10/10/98 Sweden 0 Norway 2 Friendly

    01/21/98 Norway 2 Sweden 1 Guangzhou

    Last victory for the Swedes.

    3/5/95 Sweden - Norway 4-1 EC semifinal

    Norway has won 17 drawn 7 and lost 10
     
  11. nordby1

    nordby1 Member

    Sep 4, 2001
    SAN DIEGO
    Club:
    Lillestrom SK
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    Norway - Sweden Rivalry

    I was really looking forward to the possibility of a Norway - Sweden quarterfinal match like there was during the '99 WC. That was the match I enjoyed watching the most during the '99 WC and it definitely would have been one of the highlights of this WC for me as well.

    It would be easier to accept Norway missing the 2004 Olympics if they had actually lost to either Sweden or Germany during this WC. Missing the Olympics because of losses to Brazil and the USA and then seeing the host country Greece get an automatic spot even though no one has them ranked in the Top 50 is very hard to take. :(
     
  12. nordby1

    nordby1 Member

    Sep 4, 2001
    SAN DIEGO
    Club:
    Lillestrom SK
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    Hege's Injury

    Thanks for posting all of those Norway vs. Sweden results DennisM. Even though Norway has dominated this rivalry over the past 8 years, I think this would have been an extremely close hard-fought match that might have been decided in overtime.

    The injuries suffered by defender Marianne Paulsen (torn ACL) and forward Ragnhild Gulbrandsen (jumper's knee) prior to the start of the WC hurt Norway's depth, but not having Hege Riise back anywhere close to 100% was what hurt Norway the most.
     
  13. nsa

    nsa Member+

    New England Revolution
    United States
    Feb 22, 1999
    Notboston, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In the moments that I copied this thread, bostonbully posted in the original thread. Here's what s/he said:
     
  14. nordby1

    nordby1 Member

    Sep 4, 2001
    SAN DIEGO
    Club:
    Lillestrom SK
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
  15. nsa

    nsa Member+

    New England Revolution
    United States
    Feb 22, 1999
    Notboston, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    WWC'03 winners
    Germany +2
    Sweden +1
    Canada +1
    Ghana +2

    and losers
    USA -1
    Norway -1
    China -1
    Russia -1
    Australia -1
    Nigeria -1
    Argentina -3
     
  16. DennisM

    DennisM Member

    Dec 10, 2000
    Nya Sverige
    Some of this is a joke. I'll explain later when I have more time.
     
  17. DennisM

    DennisM Member

    Dec 10, 2000
    Nya Sverige
    Okay. To start out with, Denmark and Italy are ranked higher than Canada. I don't think so. The Dutch are ranked higher than the Australians. Not right. The Nigerians at 24. Once again, not. Even the Kiwis are ranked higher. While I generally agree that a good number of the non-World Cup European teams should be ranked higher than Argentines, Colombia shouldn't. But so shouldn't Hungary nor Spain. But Spain is in the top 15 in Europe. The Spanish and the Dutch are two of the teams in Europe that have improved the most over the last two years or so. Well, Spain has regained some of the success that they had in the mid-90s. They have had some bad luck with the draw in the qualification for the World Cup and the Euro championships in the last couple of years. If they had easier groups then they might have made it to the final tournaments. Ghana is better than its 50th place marking and better than the 10 teams directly in front of it.
    I also have to note the laughable ranking of Zimbabwe and South Africa. Over the last 4 years or so, the teams are the 4th and 5th best teams in Africa and South Africa may be 3rd behind Nigeria and Ghana. But to be behind Morocco for South Africa? No way. And Zimbabwe is better than Mali or Ethiopia and Angola. It's all a joke. Zimbabwe and South Africa have played in some tight matches in competitions over the last couple of years. T & T in front of Costa Rica. Once again, I don't think so. It's all a joke. Top ten is okay but I would take out France and Denmark and put in Canada and Russia and have Australia at 11. Italy's place is a little high but they have may have turned a corner with last night's performance. More likely coming back since they had were once a much better team. Now they only need a responsive FA to help them out.
     
  18. CAFAN

    CAFAN Member

    May 30, 2003
    FIFA rankings are based on points accumulated over a number of years. In effect it works like a moving average and can't be expected to reflect current strength. The FIFA site doesn't fully explain the formula for women's points calculations on a game-by-game basis but according to FIFA the most important games (eg WWC finals) are only 4 times as valuable as the least important games. In other words, WWC play and finish are not huge factors in rankings calculations. For example Germany had 2,152 points on July 16 and after winning the WWC they had gained an additional 49 points. In some cases that kind of point gain wouldn't even change the rankings.

    You can only get so many points for WC wins. For example, Canada could have won the WWC convincingly and maybe moved up a few more positions in the FIFA rankings but that's it. In order to move up the rankings, Canada needed to improve a lot more points in the July 16 to October 24 timeframe than the teams ahead of them:

    32 points more than Russia
    77 points more than Italy
    97 points more than France
    101 points more than Denmark
    etc.

    If, somehow, a country like Ghana (ranked #53 on July 16) had won the WWC, they would have needed to earn over 200 points to crack FIFA's top 30 and over 300 points just to make the top 20. So in theory a team could be the current best in the world, win the WWC and still not be ranked by FIFA in the top 20 or 30.

    The winners in points gained since July 16 rankings:
    Germany +49 points to rise from #3 ranking to #1
    Canada +44 points to rise from #12 to #11
    Ghana +37 points to rise from #53 to #50
    Sweden +22 points to rise from #5 to #4

    It's also possible to lose points. The losers since July 16:
    China -46 points to fall from #4 to #5
    Australia -29 points to fall from #15 to #16
    Norway -28 points to fall from #2 to #3
    Argentina -20 points to fall from #35 to #38
     
  19. DennisM

    DennisM Member

    Dec 10, 2000
    Nya Sverige
    Thank you.
     
  20. Tsunami

    Tsunami Member

    Oct 16, 2000
    SD, CA
    Club:
    Arsenal LFC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    FIFA finally updated the ratings, but this 3-15-04 set of ratings changed not at all for the top 21. Only Mexico among the top 75 gained more than 1 spot, with Nigeria being the only one to lose more than one spot in that grouping.

    http://www.fifa.com/en/rank/w/index.html
     
  21. the_13th_redneck

    the_13th_redneck BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Sep 3, 2002
    Well even the FIFA Mens ranking is weird.
    One of the thing pointed out by many is how the US's ranking is boosted maybe 10 spots too high than they should be because the US's usual opponents other than Mexico are very weak opponents, giving them steady, but consistent wins. The carribbean teams are weak enough in general to win with the most basic of squads. It's even easier than Asia where teams like China, Korea, Japan, Iran and Saudi Arabia can beat each other on a pretty regular basis (except the Chinese have never beaten the Koreans at any level).
    It's a flawed system really. No one who knows mens football well takes it seriously.
     
  22. DennisM

    DennisM Member

    Dec 10, 2000
    Nya Sverige
    You're right about the men's list. Usually many problems with that list. The women's list isn't too bad but still there are problems. Mostly much more minor than on the men's list.
     

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