What is the problem with Canada?

Discussion in 'USA Men' started by LouisianaViking07/09, Jun 11, 2016.

  1. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Teams use Drones to record their own practices though.....
     
  2. Roger Allaway

    Roger Allaway Member+

    Apr 22, 2009
    Warminster, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Don't baseball's rules include something about sign-stealing itself being legal but the use of mechanical devices to do so being illegal? Might a similar standard work in soccer?
     
  3. AGomes

    AGomes Member+

    Juventus
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2023
    Yeah, in baseball sign stealing (guy standing at 2nd base relaying to the batter) is more un-written rule.
     
  4. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    The IOC has a point though. Allowing the USA to go after violators of the law in international competitions where American athletes participate would set a precedent, and China, Russia, India, etc. would do the same.

    It'd be the end of the Games, since each country would be too scared that the others, if they can't win enough medals, could accuse their teams of cheating and just kidnap them from the facilities while awaiting trial.
     
  5. CANPRO

    CANPRO Member+

    Dec 23, 2002
  6. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
    Hartford, CT
  7. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

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    May 12, 2019
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  8. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
    Hartford, CT
    Which Mexican is staring for RM?
     
  9. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

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    May 12, 2019
    You said Davies was going to be the first North American starter for Real Madrid. Have you heard of Rafa Marquez? Huge Sanchez?

    FFS, Sanchez has 164 goals for Madrid in his career. He's a legend there.
     
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  10. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    José Ramón Sauto. The only North American to captain Real Madrid.
     
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  11. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    #7386 Clint Eastwood, Aug 6, 2024
    Last edited: Aug 6, 2024
    Can I add to the beatdown?

    Chicharito also spent a season at Real Madrid. 2014/2015

    If we want to make it the very narrow category of only US and Canada, then yes I guess that's right.

    I don't believe an American has played a game for either big Madrid club. Athletico is one of the clubs recently connected with Johnny Cardoso. Plenty of Mexican have played at Athletico too. Raul Jimenez and Hector Herrea are two that spring immediately to mind.
     
  12. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
    Hartford, CT
    Marquez's entire career was at Barcelona.

    Sanchez - Yes! Damn that was over 30 years ago, I can't remember sh*t that long ago.
     
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  13. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
    Hartford, CT
    Nearly 100 years ago...holy sh*t!
     
  14. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
    Hartford, CT
    Ahh....how could we forgot him!
     
  15. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

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    May 12, 2019
    If you can't be bothered to know history, then don't make a historical claim.

    Knowing your posting history, I'm not shocked you made something up you clearly didn't know shit about and I'm not shocked you can't admit you're wrong.
     
  16. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
  17. CANPRO

    CANPRO Member+

    Dec 23, 2002
    Our backline now looks like:

    Johnston (Celtic)
    Cornelius (Marseille)
    Bombito (Nice)
    Davies (Bayern)

    Those club levels are a big improvement from a year ago. Obviously, club names don't mean anything if the players don't get regular playing time, so I'll be a bit cautious with my cheerleading until I see how the season shakes out for each of them. Joining a higher league and hardly playing is not the goal. However, joining a top 5 league is an important step for our players.

    John Herdman was pretty vocal about getting our players into top 5 leagues back in 2022,

    "What I've learned, and I said this right in my statistics when I took over, is that if you want to get out of the group stage, you need a minimum of six players playing at a tier one level – that's players playing in the top five leagues in the world, playing in the top five teams in those leagues. They're the only teams that get out of the group stage."

    He wasn't wrong. We now have the following players in top 5 leagues:

    Cornelius
    Kone
    Bombito
    Davies
    David
    Larin
    Buchanan
    Bair

    On top of that, I think Johnston at Celtic and Eustaquio at Porto both getting European minutes aren't far off the standard (depending on the season). We've made a ton of progress in the last few months. However, we really need a few more players to make the jump to top leagues in order for the program to be propelled forward. We just need another player or two to really emerge.
     
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  18. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    The challenge is how to put the pieces together to maximize results.
    And its not just being in big leagues, but how they're playing and performing as a group.

    Here's the starting XI by league of the US' group that faced Uruguay at the recent Copa America. Didn't play well

    Premier League
    Premier League
    Premier League
    Premier League
    Bundesliga
    Premier League
    Premier League (on loan from Bundesliga)
    Serie A
    Serie A
    Serie A
    Ligue 1

    Part of the problem is that when you start getting to the elite level, a team like Uruguay doesn't just have midfielders in top 5 leagues. They're starting a central midfield of regulars at Real Madrid and PSG. Valverde and Ugarte. We're starting a guy from Bournemouth that we love in Adams, but isn't at that level.

    Canada of course is moving in the right direction. Gotta keep building and building. Developing talent and developing talent. Gotta keep developing depth. Quality depth.
     
  19. CANPRO

    CANPRO Member+

    Dec 23, 2002
    I agree. Obviously there are steps to progression. We took one big step this summer with our transfers, but have many, many steps to go before becoming elite. The U.S is further along, no doubt.

    It's not just about what league these guys play in, but also what their role is for their club teams. How many players are "the guy" for their club team? How many are integral players? How many are squad players? Constantly injured? One of the issues I noticed with the U.S team this summer is that aside from Pulisic at Milan (who had a great year last year) and Jedi at Fulham, how many players on the pitch were "the guy" or close to it on a weekly basis?
     
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  20. CANPRO

    CANPRO Member+

    Dec 23, 2002
     
  21. bsky22

    bsky22 Red Card

    Dec 8, 2003
    Wow!!!
     
  22. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006

    Among their starters, Uruguay also fielded 3 from the Brasileirao, 1 from LigaMx, and 1 from Saudi.

    Also, Adams was at an elite enough level to get a transfer to Chelsea. The deal fell through because of injury. And he certainly wasn't 100% fit for the Uruguay match.
     
  23. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Chelsea literally buys every young player possible!!! They likely would have just loaned him out for a season or two to hopefully increase his value to sell him to another club for P&S compliance.
     
  24. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Adams wasn't a 'young player' in that sense. He had been a proven professional in the Prem. He a profile different to what you're referring to.
     
  25. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You honestly think that Tyler Adams would crack Chelsea's matchday roster?
     
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