What is the problem with Canada?

Discussion in 'USA Men' started by LouisianaViking07/09, Jun 11, 2016.

  1. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    #3276 Robert Borden, Jul 4, 2020
    Last edited: Jul 4, 2020
    I was thinking of trying this format

    Abroad
    Alphonso Davies
    and Bayern Munich wins the Domestic Cup. Here's a brilliant play by Davies now a 2 time Bundesliga and German Cup Champion
    Junior Hoillet played 89 minutes in a win for Cardiff City against Bristol City. Cardiff are in the promotion playoff zone for EPL ahead Derby.

    M Stephen Eustaquio played 90 minutes in a win over Portugal. He's having a great impact at the club who are having better results since he joined.

    LB Sam Adekugbe got a red card after 2 yellows in a draw in Norway.

    Looks like Lille is leading the race to sign Jonathan David as advanced negotiations have been reported.
    Besiktas will resign Atiba Hutchinson to another 1 year contract. It is said that he will work for Besiktas after he retires. He said that MLS clubs were interested but weren't willing to pay him nearly close to his actual value which he took as an insult. Besiktas are within reach to Europa League qualification.

    CF Cyle Larin is back at Besiktas after his loan in Belgium ended. Zulte Waregem are struggling financially but Royal Antwerp is said to be in the race to sign him who will play Europa League next season.

    CB Doneil Henry played 90 for Suwon Bluewings in a 3-3 draw against Seoul

    CF Charles-Andres Brym loan to Belgium's side Royal Excel Mouscron has been confirmed by Lille. The young striker already has 1 goal with Canada.

    Canada
    The CSA has planned to hold the 2020 Canadian Championship this fall with only the 3 MLS clubs and 8 CPL clubs. The winner will represent Canada at the CONCACAF Champions League.

    The Canadian Premier League is still working on a tournament for this summer with talks of a fall season.
    • Pacific FC took over an existing academy on Vancouver Island. This will provide a direct path from U13 to the 1st club. They are also taking over the women side.
    • CPL Champions Forge FC were suppose to compete in CONCACAF League July 28, but the tournament was delayed.
    • Preliminary talks have begun to work on a blueprint for a Division 2 in Canada. Existing clubs and prospective investors are interested since they are in markets that may prove to small for CPL. This would league to an eventual promotion/relegation pyramid managed and owned by CPL.
     
  2. CANPRO

    CANPRO Member+

    Dec 23, 2002
     
  3. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
  4. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    though a shame he's never played in a top 5 league
     
  5. Ofori

    Ofori Red Card

    Inter Milan
    Ghana
    May 9, 2020
    Atiba is a case of what could have always been especially if he had ended up in a top tier league
     
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  6. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    All I could find is that West Ham United wanted to acquire him but Besiktas refused to sell him
    West Ham United fail with offer for Bestikas's Atiba Hutchinson
    https://www.sportsmole.co.uk/footba...st-ham-fail-with-hutchinson-offer_275252.html

    This is what I find amusing with some posters here, especially those who talk like they know football but their posts exposes how little they actually know.
    • A player who hasn't play in EPL doesn't mean that they are incapable or aren't that level.
    • Besiktas is a recurring Champions League & Europa participants something that West Ham isn't. Lots of players goes for these clubs instead of playing for mid table or bottom table teams in stronger leagues
    • This is why nobody knew about Scott Arfield until they saw him boss the midfield in the 1st game. They just look at "where he's playing now" and make conclusions. Arfield was an EPL starter at Burnley who wanted to keep him. Going to Rangers makes sense for him as they are a high level team and play Europa football, something that Burnley wasn't doing.
     
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  7. Ofori

    Ofori Red Card

    Inter Milan
    Ghana
    May 9, 2020
    Okay but EPL is the big time compared to playing in Turkey so what is your point? If you play in England, that is how you know you have truly made it.
     
  8. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    it's impressive his success in Turkey but it's fair to wonder if he might have done well for West Ham though I wonder
    European matches in a mid-tier league for a big club fighting for titles for playing in the best league in the world albeit for a mid-table club
     
  9. @Ofori
    You mentioned elsewhere Ferdi Kadioglu could play for Canada. On what basis?
     
  10. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    We all know that but players have different ways to look at it. If it was this simple, why did Arfield leave Burnley for Rangers? European competition was important to him.

    Hutchinson wanted to play EPL and West Ham believed he could at that time. It's a shame that Besiktas refused to sell but with his performances in Champions League, I have no doubt he could.

    My point is that it's not always that simple that "all players wants to play in the best league". There are other factors such as money, the club itself, of course the league, opportunities and European competition. Milan Borjan was offered contracts in better league than Serbia but opted to stay at Red Star. That team goes to Champions League almost yearly so that made his choice easier...Champions League team or mid bottom table team in a stronger league with no chance at European competition?

    Proving my point are people posting that somehow, Borjan isn't a strong keeper because he isn't playing in Bundesliga like their keeper and I'm like "yeah but he blanks Liverpool and has to face juggernauts clubs such as PSG and Bayern and he's usually left to fend for himself in those games" How is Borjan weaker?

    That's my point!
     
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  11. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Herdman’s patient approach lead to Tabla windfall for Canada
    https://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/herdmans-patient-approach-lead-tabla-windfall-canada/

    What’s especially promising for Canadian soccer fans is that Herdman isn’t resting on his laurels, and has put together a list of other youngsters who like Tabla could represent other countries, and drafted a specific strategy for each player to convince them to play for Canada.

    Herdman didn’t offer any specific names, but hinted that Ferdi Kadioglu is someone who is on his radar. Kadioglu is a 19-year-old Dutch midfielder who recently signed with Turkish side Fenerbahce. He’s played for the Netherlands at youth level, but hasn’t been capped by the Dutch senior team. Kadioglu is eligible to play for Canada because his mother was born here.
     
  12. Ofori

    Ofori Red Card

    Inter Milan
    Ghana
    May 9, 2020
    He qualifies actually through his mother because she is actually Dutch and Canadian
     
  13. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Liille made an offer matching the original asking price from Gent at 25M Euros for Jonathan David. I know Gent is now asking 30M
    According to the article, Gent wants between 30M-35M hoping for a bidding war. Also, David was adamant in playing in Germany but it is said that he's liking the idea of playing for Lille in France
     
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  14. Ofori

    Ofori Red Card

    Inter Milan
    Ghana
    May 9, 2020
    David already speaks French so it works
     
  15. DMaster

    DMaster New Member

    United States
    Jun 10, 2020
    Wandering but not lost
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Mohamed Bouhafsi from RMC Sport, a tier 1 reporter, is running with the story as well. Suggests that David has already agreed to personal terms with Lilles and it's down to both clubs agreeing on a fee.
    More than most of the other clubs he's been linked to, this is actually an excellent move in terms of his development, with him getting legit chances for plenty of PT almost right away.
     
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  16. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Canada is likely to experience what the US has.

    Untapped land mass where kids aren't on pro contracts so Euro clubs will be able to bring them over at 16-18.

    Just like Europe is combing our youth ranks for the next Pulisic, they'll do the same looking for the next Davies.
     
  17. Ofori

    Ofori Red Card

    Inter Milan
    Ghana
    May 9, 2020
    Can't help but love it
     
  18. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Guess who's the most valuable in CONCACAF?
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  19. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Not for long, though, given Pulisic's position and form.
     
  20. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How much did Chelsea pay for Pulisic again?
     
  21. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    About 65 million Euro, I think. So, yes, transfermarkt, which is pretty crap, thinks he's gotten less valuable. Yawn.
     
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  22. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    That's how Gent signed Jonathan David virtually for nothing. He was playing amateur in Ottawa and once the CSA found him, Vancouver Whitecaps wanted to sign him but he was adamant in signing in Europe.

    Canada always had good academies capable of developing talents, the problem has been that unless someone was exceptional, MLS teams and the CSA weren't looking outside of the MLS multiple academies all over the place. (Politics)

    With the CPL partnering with existing academies instead of starting their own to compete against them while they have little to no expertise, those good players that we used to miss and potentially great talents will be found and go to CPL to then be resold a higher price. For year 1 of the league, I could say that 3 teams either broke even or turned a profit. The 1 team we know how their finances looked like lost only $211k, hence the massive incentive to find talent, develop them in CPL and sell.

    With CPL having a seat at the CSA, their influence will keep growing and the other academies won't be ignored anymore,
     
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  23. Cubanlix63

    Cubanlix63 Member+

    AFC Ajax
    Feb 19, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Davies voted team of the season by his peers in the VDV.

     
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  24. Cubanlix63

    Cubanlix63 Member+

    AFC Ajax
    Feb 19, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    And translation from the VDV site.

    https://www.spielergewerkschaft.de/de/VDV/Aktuelles/Detail/1195/Aktuelles-|-Meldung-|-VDV-11.htm

     
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  25. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    It has virtually no meaning.
    In terms of value in this 2020 season, I'd put Davies and Raul Jimenez ahead of Pulisic. If Christian had played the full season at Chelsea like he is now, then it would be a different story.

    In reality, this is what matters.........................
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