What does CHIVAS USA mean for MLS?

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by delarge101, Oct 28, 2003.

  1. delarge101

    delarge101 Member

    Oct 20, 2003
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Chivas USA, a Cleveland team, and any semblance of press NOT on ESPN but about soccer is good for the league -- we know that. But how about the "what if's?"

    Can Vergara still field a team of all Mexican players? It seems like a numerical possibility. I thought it was what we DIDN'T want -- but he's conforming to MLS rules so we can't be mad.

    What if --- Mexican fans ditch the Galaxy because "Oh, there's a team rooted in my homeland, to hell with Doug Hamilton!" I know this will happen because a Latino friend of mine shares the sentiments.

    What if --- this team does succeed? Well, that only pushes American soccer to be better! That's what we wanted right?

    But then what about developing AMERICAN soccer talent? I hope Vergara tries to use his team to this end. Mexico already has its own league.

    What do you think?
     
  2. patrickdavila

    patrickdavila Member

    Jan 13, 1999
    Easton, PA
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    After seeing the reaction of the local Koreans when the Galaxy visit I realize the following:
    - more Mexicans will attend MLS games
    - the local fans will see all these 'visitors' rooting against their local teams. Perhaps this will have a galvanizing effect with the local supporters
    - Attendence will increase (somewhat)
    - MLS exposure in Mexico will increase

    Other possibilities:
    - U.S./Mexico rivalry will get more intense
    - more media coverage of the league and the 'Mexican' team
    - get used to those annoying horns at every single MLS game
    - Chivas will become the most hated team outside of San Diego (or wherever they play)
     
  3. counterattack

    counterattack New Member

    Mar 28, 2002
    As much as any of us may dislike the changes made for Chivas to come to MLS, they do make sense.

    The ultimate goal of MLS has to be to turn fans of Mexican football, who now live the US, be they legal or not, into MLS fans. The Chivas team is a direct way to do that.

    The money that comes with this deal, which will be a lot more than 10 or 15 million dollars, will make expansion happen sooner. It will also have a big benefit in cable ratings. I think this the main reason for bending the rules.

    Finally, if this works, why not do the Canadian version? If it makes sense to put a mostly Mexican team in the middle of MLS, why not put a mostly Canadian team in as well?
     
  4. denver_mugwamp

    denver_mugwamp New Member

    Feb 9, 2003
    Denver, Colorado
    This is going to get interesting...

    Even if Chivas was able to send its B Team to play in the MLS, they probably wouldn't do very well. In comparing the MFL to MLS, there's not a lot of difference in the average players. The real difference is in the star players, especially the South Americans. But the keepers--there's probably some A League keepers who are better most MFL keepers. Watching Mexican games you see quite a few strange goalkeeping plays.

    There was a move a while back by MLS to work out a deal with the MFL so that players could move between the leagues freely. This didn't seem to go anywhere but I'd like to see it some day. If Toronto joins the MLS, then Canadians will no longer be foreign players.
     
  5. DoorKnob

    DoorKnob New Member

    Sep 23, 2003
    DC
    Because there really isn't a sizable number of Canadiens living in the US that would boost attendance. Even if there was, Canadiens aren't known for following the sport that closely.

    Besides that, the team would be a perpetual loser if they were predominantly Canadien.
     
  6. counterattack

    counterattack New Member

    Mar 28, 2002

    No, please understand, a "Canadian" team would be based in Canada, and play more Canadians than not, just like MLS has more American players than not. Would that condem them to losing? There are a lot of good Canadian players, and some of them might like the opportunity to stay and play in North America. It's working for Mr. Donovan.

    Anyhow, enough about Canada. This thread is about Chivas.
     
  7. monster

    monster Member

    Oct 19, 1999
    Hanover, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What changes?
     
  8. kpaulson

    kpaulson New Member

    Jun 16, 2000
    Washington DC
    Re: This is going to get interesting...

    I actually would say just the opposite. I think the best MLS players could probably play just about anywhere. However, you get down to some fairly poor players pretty quickly. And I don't know how much you can take from the Champions Cup, but MLS teams haven't exactly done well against MFL 'B' teams.

    Bruce Arena used to say that the foreign players were the difference makers in MLS because all the American players were about the same. Now, I'm sure he'd amend that to be the "star players" instead of foreign players, but I think the sentiment is still more or less correct.
     
  9. Kryptonite

    Kryptonite Fancy Title Here

    Apr 10, 1999
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There'll be a "Chivas fans" section at MLS games around the country, but they won't come back game after game.

    example:

    When LA played in Columbus, there was a sizeable "Hong Myung Bo" fan section, but they were there to see Hong. I didn't see them at any other Crew game.
     
  10. Northside Rovers

    Jan 28, 2000
    Austin TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Because Canada cares less about soccer than the USA does.
     
  11. patrickdavila

    patrickdavila Member

    Jan 13, 1999
    Easton, PA
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Agreed. They'll only show for Chivas games. The first Metros game vs L.A. the Koreans would scream like they were riding a roller coaster. This was amusing for about 5 minutes. Eventually others in the crowd would whistle/boo every time Bo touched the ball. You could hear the same thing happening when L.A. played in Chicago, N.E., etc..
     
  12. Revolt

    Revolt Member+

    Jun 16, 1999
    Davis, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    delarge101,

    Thanks for the Chivas thread. I couldn't possibly have figured where to get my daily Chivas news without this thread. Thanks for the public service!
     
  13. Kqql

    Kqql Member

    Sep 22, 2003
    Eric Wynalda:



     
  14. Kryptonite

    Kryptonite Fancy Title Here

    Apr 10, 1999
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They'd be Chivas fans living in the City of _____. Not a problem. The problem (more like question) is how to get them to come back game after game.
     
  15. greenbill

    greenbill New Member

    Apr 30, 2003
    York, PA
    This is always disheartening to me when I see this at games because to me, its showing that they're there really their to support a "race" or "nationality" and have no interest in the game of soccer itself. I guess I have a hard time understanding this since I am not an expat in a foreign land. However, I imagine that if somehow I ended up having to live in a far away place like Europe or Asia, I would still support the local team...American player or not.
     
  16. kpaulson

    kpaulson New Member

    Jun 16, 2000
    Washington DC
    Oh sure, I support a local team in London (West Ham :( ), but you better believe I've come out to support Reyna, Lewis, Friedel and Keller (and I would support Timmay if I could afford those tickets...) I think many latinos make a similar choice.
     
  17. mellon002

    mellon002 Member

    Jan 24, 2003
    Towson, MD
    I hate 'em already. If I wanted to see Chivas I'd fly to Mexico and check it out. You know that there will be mostly Mexican players because they will find some way to bend the rules. I just think that this goes against everything MLS was trying to establish.
     
  18. spot

    spot Member+

    Nov 29, 1999
    Centennial
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So far Chivas USA means only 2 things:

    - a new investor
    - a new team

    The rest of this is speculation, most of blown way out of proportion. What really gets me is that if an investor came along who made millions selling widgets we'd still have just as much bellyaching over the new owners lack of soccer knowledge. Or, if MLS expanded with out an owner the response would be, "great another league owned team."

    This whole topic has taken the whiney soccer fan to a whole new level.
     
  19. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: This is going to get interesting...

    Wow. Gotta disagree here, bigtime.

    MLS stars are pretty darn good. For reference, see the World Cup. But MLS matches lack flow because each team has about 3 donkeys who can't pass the ball. The salary cap causes that.

    I describe MLS teams this way (based on FSW's broadcast of the playoffs): take a good Div 1 team's best 5-6 players, and a good Div 2 team's best 5-6 players, and that's an MLS team.
     
  20. efren95

    efren95 Member

    Apr 20, 2000
    Republic of Texas

    There is nothing wrong with hating Chivas Chupacabras with passion.

    The point is stadia will be full of pro and contra fans ready to scream their hearts out...

    That's what Chivas will bring to MLS: excitement, controversy, passion and, above all, MORE MONEY...

    WE CAN HARDLY WAIT...
     

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