What do you think it will take to keep the Quakes local(Bay Area)

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  1. living_ded_boy

    living_ded_boy New Member

    May 24, 2001
    Pleasanton, Ca
    #1 living_ded_boy, Feb 5, 2004
    I'm thinking that 15,000 per game attendance buys us another season(2005) while they work out other stuff, owner/operator and or SSS.
     
  2. Len

    Len Member+

    Club: Dallas Tornado
    Jan 18, 1999
    Everywhere and Nowhere.....I'm the wind, baby.
    #2 Len, Feb 5, 2004
    It sounds like everything that can be done, IS being done.
     
  3. Goodsport

    Goodsport Moderator
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    May 18, 1999
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #3 Goodsport, Feb 5, 2004
    &nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp Undoubtedly an SSS.

    &nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp They already know that the attendance will rise if they've finally stocked the front-office like they've claimed to. So even an average of 12k-13k will be fine for 2004... just so long an increase comes.

    &nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp Besides, even 20k in Spartan won't net them much in stadium revenue at this point, so it's all about securing an SSS here. And when the SSS is announced to open in 2006/2007, AEG can easily support the Earthquakes in Spartan until then (heck, in their Alexi Lalas Press Conference quote sheet, they stated that they can support the Earthquakes for 300 or 400 years more years).

    &nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp GO EARTHQUAKES!!! :cool:


    -G
     
  4. living_ded_boy

    living_ded_boy New Member

    May 24, 2001
    Pleasanton, Ca
    #4 living_ded_boy, Feb 5, 2004



    20k would, however, make the team more appealing to a prospective owner. 20k per game makes an SSS a no-brainer.
     
  5. sj_quakes_fan

    sj_quakes_fan Member

    May 18, 2001
    San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #5 sj_quakes_fan, Feb 5, 2004
    I think we need an increase in attendance and a stadium deal in the works. I'm just not sure what kind of increase would be best.

    So.... What has the team done for this? Still haven't heard anything about buying tickets. Anybody seen anything in the papers, heard anything on the radio, etc. Also, was anyone besides Dom at this meeting in Fremont (yeah, you know I mean Alexi)? I didn't read the full article, but I don't recall seeing Alexi quoted in the Fremont article.

    The team needs to step up now. It needs to get it's name out there. It needs to bombard the press with this information. This is the kind of stuff that will gain interest in the team.
     
  6. living_ded_boy

    living_ded_boy New Member

    May 24, 2001
    Pleasanton, Ca
    #6 living_ded_boy, Feb 5, 2004
    Which statement would be more true.....

    "If you build it, the fans(15k+) will come"

    or

    "If you have 15k+ already, they will buy us and build it"
     
  7. Goodsport

    Goodsport Moderator
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    May 18, 1999
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
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    United States
    #7 Goodsport, Feb 5, 2004
    &nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp Perhaps, but assuming the details are worked out between AEG and whichever city lands the deal, a new SSS around here will be coming regardless, whether the attendance in 2004 is 13k or 20k... and the prospect of a new stadium will make the team even that much more appealing to a potential owner.

    &nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp GO EARTHQUAKES!!! :cool:


    -G
     
  8. sj_quakes_fan

    sj_quakes_fan Member

    May 18, 2001
    San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #8 sj_quakes_fan, Feb 5, 2004
    I think the team would be more attractive in a sale if it had both the fan following (attendance) and a stadium deal. Both of those points make the team more valuable as it makes the investment more stable. I don't think they are separate issues or that one automatically means the other. I think they both need to be worked on side by side. I don't think we can say a new stadium will automatically mean more fans.
     
  9. Goodsport

    Goodsport Moderator
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    May 18, 1999
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
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    United States
    #9 Goodsport, Feb 5, 2004
    &nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp Actually, a third is more true...

    &nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp "If you want to remain economically viable, you need to build a new SSS regardless... but that doesn't mean that you shouldn't start to advertise/market/promote to raise that attendance..."

    &nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp GO EARTHQUAKES!!! :cool:


    -G
     
  10. living_ded_boy

    living_ded_boy New Member

    May 24, 2001
    Pleasanton, Ca
    #10 living_ded_boy, Feb 5, 2004

    True, I just think if you have the option of buying into a team that has an SSS deal, you definately want to have it in a location that has the highest attendance, quicker return on your investment. If our attendance is good, the only issue is, as addressed in another thread, where to build the SSS. I just pray that enough newbies saw that playoff run to roll over to 2004 attendance. I'll be bringing my 10-20 peeps to every game. You guys will have to bring the 14,980! :D
     
  11. angra

    angra New Member

    Oct 10, 2001
    myfootongarbers'ass
    #11 angra, Feb 5, 2004
    Lets keep it simple. Let it start with us here. I said it before, I'll say it again, '' bring a friend to the game."
     
  12. Bajoro

    Bajoro Member+

    Sep 10, 2000
    The Inland Empire
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #12 Bajoro, Feb 5, 2004
    angra... you are wise.

    I'm going to organize a church/school group.
     
  13. markmcf8

    markmcf8 Member+

    Oct 18, 1999
    Vancouver, WA, USA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #13 markmcf8, Feb 5, 2004
    I think an increase, even of just a thousand fans will show progress. What we need is to have at least plans in place for an SSS. Not just ideas, or plans with no cash, or several plans but nothing definite.

    We need for there to be a plan, a location, funding, infrastructure, and a committed local city council (and county supes would be a huge help). whether the SSS is planned for Fremont, Santa Clara, or San Jose, or some place else we need a plan that is in motion, not on the drawing board.

    I'm optimistic about this because I think that the South Bay pols don't want to lose the team and now that the heat is on they are going to do something about it. (This IMNSHO.)

    GO QUAKES!!

    - Mark
     
  14. Albany58

    Albany58 Member+

    Sep 14, 1999
    Concord, CA USA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #14 Albany58, Feb 6, 2004
    1) An increase in attendance, several thousand over our average last year would be big; 2) plans for a future SSS.
    BTW, Maynard told me this afternoon that the number of Quakes season-ticket sales is ahead of everyone else in the league. I couldn't get any specific numbers, though.
     
  15. Goodsport

    Goodsport Moderator
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    May 18, 1999
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #15 Goodsport, Feb 6, 2004
    &nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp Does that include renewals? :confused:

    &nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp Also, anyone who is under the impression that AEG is looking for an increase in attendance before committing to an SSS is sorely mistaken. The search for an SSS location around here has already begun (even before the Fremont City Council meeting), and once the deal is squared away with whichever local city AEG comes to terms with, the planning and (later) construction will commence... regardless of whether the Quakes' 2004 attendance rises by 2k or by 10k.

    &nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp In other words, a steep rise in the attendance this year may make the team more attractive to a prospetive I/O, but a smaller rise in the attendance won't really jeopardize plans for an SSS around here (and won't necessarily scare away a prospective I/O either).

    &nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp GO EARTHQUAKES!!! :cool:


    -G
     
  16. living_ded_boy

    living_ded_boy New Member

    May 24, 2001
    Pleasanton, Ca
    #16 living_ded_boy, Feb 6, 2004

    Not AEG.....they are looking to unload SJ and if they get the right offer, that new ownership would be more inclined to stay here and aggressively address the SSS issue if the attendance is higher. I just think if we have at least 15k per game, we won't have to worry too much about being moved out of the area.
     
  17. Goodsport

    Goodsport Moderator
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    May 18, 1999
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #17 Goodsport, Feb 6, 2004
    &nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp Yes AEG.....


    &nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp AEG is looking to unload Chicago as well (AEG eventually wants to only keep LA and the MetroStars), yet they've already commenced with plans to build the Fire an SSS - and it's not because of Chicago's attendance (though it's good), but because of the economic reality of getting out of Soldier Field and into a new SSS that they control and will benefit from directly.

    &nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp So whether an I/O for the Quakes is found sooner or later, whether the attendance rises by relatively little or by a lot in 2004, plans for locating a spot for a local SSS to be built by AEG are already underway.

    &nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp As a matter of fact, it's not one or the other - the SJ front-office (except for perhaps Lalas, McAllister and maybe a few other high-level people) is concentrating solely on selling tickets and on marketing, while AEG is concentrating on the stadium issue... and the latter isn't waiting on the former, but both entities are working now, at the same time.


    &nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp GO EARTHQUAKES!!! :cool:


    -G
     
  18. living_ded_boy

    living_ded_boy New Member

    May 24, 2001
    Pleasanton, Ca
    #18 living_ded_boy, Feb 6, 2004
    I'm not saying that the SSS is predicated on high attendance, AEG will go after an SSS no mater what......I'm saying if our attendance sucks this season and someone comes in and wants to take the Quakes elsewhere in 2005 before AEG can strike up an SSS deal......then it's over Johnny! To avoid that possibility, ticket sales better be grand.
     
  19. Goodsport

    Goodsport Moderator
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    May 18, 1999
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #19 Goodsport, Feb 6, 2004
    &nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp If the attendance sucks, than that may happen. But from what I've heard of increased season-ticket sales so far, the apparent increase of ticket-sales reps, last season's second-half attendance rise and the exciting playoff run, it's hard to imagine that the attendance will average as much as it did last season, much less get lower.

    &nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp And AEG has already shown to be thankfully hard-nosed with Club America, so I doubt that it'll be so easy for anyone else to simply come here and swoop the team to a different market just like that.

    &nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp And I'm not Johnny! ;)

    &nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp GO EARTHQUAKES!!! :cool:


    -G
     
  20. Scoschee

    Scoschee New Member

    Sep 16, 2002
    SoCal
    #20 Scoschee, Feb 6, 2004
    I think AEG will do everything possible to develop a multiuse sports/entertainment complex in SJ no matter what the ticket sales are like this season. If by say June, they have land and an agreement with whatever city, you will get a new stadium.
    However, come November of next year, if SJ averages 10-12K and no stadium deal is in the works, Kinnear better sell his house in Fremont and prepare to move east, or north or wherever.
    AEG is in the business of making money. Shiny new stadiums and complexes make money. See Home Depot Center (even with pisspoor FO support for the G's.) Bridgeview will be the same situation.
    I don't think AEG gives an airborne intercourse how they make or where they make their money, so long as they make it.

    Just my $.02
     
  21. Goodsport

    Goodsport Moderator
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    May 18, 1999
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #21 Goodsport, Feb 6, 2004
    &nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp While AEG is in the business of making money, they've finally seemed to realize (as far as San Jose is concerned) that they've got to spend some money to make some money.

    &nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp Maintaining a skeleton crew of a front-office and spending almost zilch on marketing for the last few years wasn't getting it done; conversely, I'm not suprised that season-ticket sales are up so far this off-season, with the beefed-up sales staff (though I'm sure that the exciting playoff and MLS Cup run last season helped as well ;) ).

    &nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp Yet there's a sizable-enough die-hard crowd in this market that still went to just about all the home games despite how much the market was neglected for years, a large enough crowd to grab AEG's attention after the CA debacle hit the fan, enough so as to convene a press conference specifically to address the debacle (oh, and to introduce a new GM). They know that money can be made here if they really apply themselves.

    &nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp But the SSS is still the key to all this, for the potential offseason revenue streams (like concerts and such) as well as for the revenue streams from soccer-related activites.

    &nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp GO EARTHQUAKES!!! :cool:


    -G
     
  22. living_ded_boy

    living_ded_boy New Member

    May 24, 2001
    Pleasanton, Ca
    #22 living_ded_boy, Feb 7, 2004


    Like Goodsport's Traveling Oldtimer All-Stars Annual Maturity Classic? :D
     
  23. Beerking

    Beerking Member+

    Nov 14, 2000
    Humboldt County
    #23 Beerking, Feb 7, 2004

    Very optimistic but not realistic:(
     
  24. Goodsport

    Goodsport Moderator
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    May 18, 1999
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #24 Goodsport, Feb 7, 2004
    &nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp The G.T.O.A.S.A.M.C.? :eek:

    &nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp GO EARTHQUAKES!!!


    -G
     
  25. Goodsport

    Goodsport Moderator
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    May 18, 1999
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #25 Goodsport, Feb 7, 2004
    &nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp Yeah, June does sound a bit soon considering the speed that municipal councils normally move on issues (though I certainly wouldn't complain if a decision on the local location was made by then).

    &nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp Is it more likely to come by October/November? :confused:

    &nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp&nbsp GO EARTHQUAKES!!!


    -G
     
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