What do you guys think about the draft?

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by worldfootballgenius, Jul 4, 2004.

  1. worldfootballgenius

    New York Red Bulls
    United States
    Jul 9, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What do u guys think of dithcing the draft? I think it's worng to force clubs to sign 6 new players before they've had a chance to develop their older ones. The lineups change way too fast. I think signing new talent is a top priority, but maybe it would be better if clubs signed them on their own. It would also make a much more local feel to clubs. An important part about the clubs today is that a few of their key players are locals. There's more pride.
     
  2. feuerfex

    feuerfex Member

    Apr 21, 2001
    Nobody forces any teams to sign anybody. Teams can (and have) passed when their opportunity comes up. All the draft does is maintain some fairness in the distribution of new players across the league.
     
  3. swedcrip34

    swedcrip34 New Member

    Mar 17, 2004
    Totally agree. Only the players in the first couple of rounds seem to now be signed by the league before the draft. They're usually good players and cheap. Teams can pass at any point and only draft the "rights" to most players and don't have to sign them. The ones signed by the league (example Wingert, Nunez, 1 other, and the p40s this year + a few "unnanounced" like Ngwenya) probably get be cut by the team and claimed on waivers by others. Most of these players don't count against the cap since they are p40 or developmental. The local stuff actually works itself out in MLS with the single-entity. Teams defer to each other in the draft (Nunez to DAL for example) and many teams draft local players in the later rounds. Abolishing to the draft would eliminate one of the greatest part of the limited fairness the league has. Placing the p40s in the draft in 2000 was a significant moment in league history.
     
  4. joe

    joe Member+

    Jul 12, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think America is a good enough country to die for even if you disagree with the particular war it may be fighting

    personally, if i were drafted i would have to make a tough choice between going to jail or to bootcamp, i wouldnt slip the country
     
  5. Red Card

    Red Card Member+

    Mar 3, 1999
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You happen to have picked a multi-meaning word. M-W online gives 13 definitions for "draft" as a noun. That's the most I have seen there. And don't forget the British spelling "draught".

    Now are you referring to "draft" as in drinking beer, catching fish in a net, military, planning, wind, etc?

    http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=draft
     
  6. swedcrip34

    swedcrip34 New Member

    Mar 17, 2004
    How about SuperDraft. I'd bet few are silly enough to use that word.
     
  7. Rommul

    Rommul Member

    Aug 26, 2003
    NYC
    Ditch it.
     
  8. worldfootballgenius

    New York Red Bulls
    United States
    Jul 9, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For future reference, I was talking about the soccer draft, before the mls season starts, i thought i made it obvious in my first post and that the fact thaT IT'S bigsoccer.com
     
  9. Northside Rovers

    Jan 28, 2000
    Austin TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I prefer draft beer to bottled beer. But that's just me.
     
  10. myshap

    myshap Member

    Jun 19, 2002
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    You gotta love the draft. It makes the offseason interesting, gives hope to team's fans for the future, rewards players, and shines light on College Soccer. It's great, it should never be dropped and when combined with a reserve teams in the future it will be the greatest form of soccer player distribution by a league in the world.
     
  11. CUS

    CUS New Member

    Apr 20, 2000
    I just close the window.
     
  12. NErevs3

    NErevs3 New Member

    May 4, 2003
    new hampshire
    well its about the only way we can get players in the league. that whole thing with the players signed to MLS instead of the team, it takes the revs so long to sign 1 player, the revs have so many injurys and we cant even sign a player the league wont let us i guess, so if there are more players we can atleast use some of the bench players and have enough for subs.


    revs have 4 bench players
     
  13. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No one's being forced to sign six new players. What a team gets in the draft is first chance at signing the player, without interference from other MLS teams. If they decide they don't want the player, then other teams can try to sign him.
     
  14. swedcrip34

    swedcrip34 New Member

    Mar 17, 2004
    I mostly agree, but I don't know if we really know the rules here. Obviously teams don't have to sign most of the players. Some are signed by MLS before the draft and I assume the teams drafting them inherit the contract but probably can waive the player.

    The college-protection system is somewhat a mystery to me. I don't see published lists of players teams "college protect". This year CHI didn't want Khari Stephenson (roster was full) and KC did, same with Luke Vercollone CLB and NE. Teams had to trade a draft pick to get their rights even after the season started. This implies that teams definitely hold the rights to a player for some time (I've heard 2 years). So teams possibly could elect to not sign a player and elect not to trade them. That player then could be stuck not playing though I think the league office would settle it (they can do whatever they want). Other teams can't "try to sign them" - I don't think, but must acquire the rights (usually a same round draft pick from the next year or two). Sure this is about marginal players but still would likely apply to the top rounds (except if teams "inherit" signed contracts and would have to pay or waive the player). Any proof the system is otherwise?
     
  15. obie

    obie New Member

    Nov 18, 1998
    NY, NY
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The draft is the only player allocation system that makes sense in the SEM structure. The draft as it's played itself out over the past few years provides teams with at least a tiny semblance of fairness. Without the draft MLS would sign and allocate all players, which in today's "what salary cap?" environment would lead to charges of favoritism from at least 8 of the 10 teams on nearly every high-profile move.
     

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