2nd round pick in the 2004 Superdraft. See: http://www.dcunited.com/index.cfm?section=team&cont_id=160428
I'm afraid not. You'll have to make a trade with Colorado for that pick. We'll only have the first ...
Interesting. Both the Fire and United press releases state that DC dealt it's second round pick to the Fire for Histro. What am I missing? See: http://www.chicago-fire.com/pressbox/pressrelease/releasetext.asp?prID=1187 and http://www.dcunited.com/index.cfm?s...&cont_id=160428
I was just about the only person upset about trading Justin Mapp. There were a half dozen others, but I was probably the most vocal. Almost everyone on this Board slagged me for saying so, but I steadfastly maintained (and do so today as well) that it was a mistake to trade Mapp. He is extremely skilled technically on the ball, stunningly quick with his first move with the ball at his feet, fast, and has good size (~5'10-5'11 with some beef on him). He has a cannon of a left foot which he uses to score and whip in some nice driven crosses. But, he is extremely left-footed and needs to develop his right foot more. He dribbles with his head down. He is raw defensively, hasn't fully adjusted to the speed of play in MLS. But talent like this in such an athletic package just doesn't come along very often. With Convey's obvious move into the center (only Hudson and a few fans couldn't see it!) the need for a left winger was dramatic. Trading it away was sheer stupidity IMHO. Now, to try and compensate for this bad move we are playing the right-footed midfielder Dema Kovalenko on the left, and paying him in the neighborhood of 120k. Mapp is still P-40, salary cap exempt, and when he does graduate out of P-40 will probably make half of what Kovalenko does. But John Trask is an Indiana man through and through. He was an assistant coach there. He is the reason Lazo Alavanja has followed the coaching staff around, and he is the reason we acquired Dema and his close compatriot Hristo (and eventually Galin). Dema was great at Indiana, and is a quality MLS player. But the reason we made this trade was because of the Indiana connection. I actually like Dema, but I think this trade was folly. When Mapp develops closer to his potential, we will all be kicking ourselves. Who knows if Hudson and Trask will be here to answer for it. As for Hristo, I may be wrong, but I don't think we traded the "2nd pick overall in 04 Superdraft" but rather a 2nd round pick, which in retrospect was probably a fair trade. -Digital
I think Segroves is just being sarcastic after his typo. We traded a second-rounder. You can't trade a pick (the 2nd overall) that you don't own.
I was, too, I remember not being whelmed by what we got, but I think I'd have been angrier if it was Hristo. Which is why I asked, since DC's website doesn't list how we acquire people.
Of course, since Hudson seems, except for Escadarian, reluctant to play his younger players, we probably never would have seen Mapp developing here. So it was a very good thing for him that he was traded.
Yes, it does, just not on the player bio pages. Everything from being allocated Harksie to trading for Barclay can be found here: http://www.dcunited.com/index.cfm?section=tradition&cont_id=94152
Agreed Tron. I too wanted to keep Mapp because I thought he would be a good player, and so Convey could get in the middle. About Mapp's ability, he moves the same way Robert Pires does IMHO. It doesn't look like he's running hard. Just kind of glides as if he's putting no pressure on the ground, accelerates wonderfully, and carries the ball at his feet as if its in his hands. I read the piece from United Mania the other day that was very well written and I believe it gave Hudson a B- on Personnel. I disagreed with that more than any other part of the column. I probably would have given him a D. Hudson has made so many mistakes from Lazo to re-signing Etch, bringing in another defender (Galin Ivanov. Our defense was already strong), and then Earnie as a forward. And trading Mapp as well. I'm sure I'm forgetting a few things.
Indeed, indeed, indeed. Trading Mapp was a blunder. Tron is too kind, in my opinion, about Dema -- very much of a one-dimensional player -- fast going straight ahead, but no moves, no skills with the ball, doubtful defensive techniques, poor passing and decision making. Hard worker, determined, but the A-league is full of such players. Mapp is raw, but a tremendous talent. For a left footed player, he has looked more than adequate playing the right side for Chicago. Despite Mapp's lack of experience, Chicago is now playing him full time. Just wait until he had some experience and can play a position he is better suited to.
Am I wrong or didn't Hudson want to get rid of Etch? I seriously doubt signing him was Hudson's decision over an MLS decision. However, I really think DCU botched this offseason. Getting rid of Pope and keeping Etch...not good. Keep Pope, trade Moreno, and don't resign Etch. Keep Mapp. Don't take anybody other than Razov, Boca, Armas, or DMB from Chicago and try to pick up a valuable international. I just don't think many people could have actually done worse than DC did this offseason. (that is if they were in the GM position of making player moves) But above all they should have done everything possible to address their biggest need (scoring). Sign Josh Wolff. If Wolff stays healthy for KC they could very well play for the MLS Cup.
Didn't we go through this before? Here: https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=52768&perpage=15&pagenumber=4 And Here: https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=54216 Hudson wanted Etcheverry. There's no question in my mind. Actually, trading Mapp was the best thing for him. It wasn't so much a vote of no confidence in Mapp's abilities as it was about the most honest thing that Hudson and Co. have done to admit their own limitations.
"No. Ray is not going to bench Etcheverry. People here are stuck on this model that the coach runs everything. Nothing could be further from the truth. Ray didn't want Etch, and doesn't want to be loaded down with him--I'm convinced of that. That decision was made elsewhere, and holding Ray accountable for getting stuck holding the bag is not only incorrect, it's morally reprehensible." "Back then my feeling was that Hudson didn't want Etcheverry at the club and, once results and performances went badly, would bench him and Etch would then storm out the club. Now I'm simply baffled how a professional soccer club has persevered with such a consistent underperformer for three and a half years" "No, Ray won't bench Etcheverry because there are people above Ray telling him not to." ... Hudson "He's had some good games for us. And he's had a couple of dogs. I don't think he's any different than a lot of players. But, he's a special situation - a special case - but he can't be treated any differently" Maybe I just missed a lot of stuff, but...so you are saying Hudson wanted Etch? Does anybody think Hudson will last past this year?
I contested that post quite vociferously further down the page. Hudson absolutely wanted Etch. And, by the way, if you want to continue on the Hudson line we should probably move that discussion to a different thread so as not to completely hijack this one.