what are the strengths and weaknesses of Sir Alex? Wenger?

weaknesses of them both is thier big ego's.....they are so arrogent arsehole "we're never gona lose a game" wenger and sir "gonna moan about anything i can if we lose" fergason.

They miss the fact that the other team does have a right to beat them. "sir" alex is the worst, if he loses he will blame anyone but him self and his players....

at least wenger can acept defeat

 

Don't have too much opinion regarding Wenger but with regards to Ferguson - I'd say one of the leading reasons he's achieved as much as he has, is his unwillingness to suffer fools gladly.
He doesn't take any amount of sh!t from anyone. It's not just his Man Utd results that show the fruits of his attitude. He had the same attitude whilst managing Aberdeen - with rather spectacular results (given the relative status of the club).

In the real world, such 'pig headedness'/ arrogance/ power-mania would be considered not very desirable - however it's worked incredibly well for him in his given trade.

 

Both of them appear arrogant. I think thay try to hard to exude confidence in their players and so publicly build them up more than they deserve. Wenger is the more gracious in defeat of the two, Ferguson appears idiotic blaming everything from the referee to the colour of their shirts when things go against them.

As for Wenger spotting talent, yes he's had unearthed a few gems in his time at Arsenal, but he's also picked up several players who would look more at home in Sunday morning park football. People like Stefan Malz, Alberto Mendez, Igors Stepanovs, Luis Boa Morte, Christopher Wreh and Fabian Caballero spring to mind. And I'd bet that a lot of people haven't even heard of all those they were that bad.

 

Both of them are arrogant, it’s the nature of the game and the position they hold.
Maybe Wenger has a more pleasing personality. But being fair about finding talent, even I (choke…!!!) have to give a lot of credit to the Manure youth program.
Manure with their 50 bazzilion pounds could go out now and buy for every position, but can the most expensive play as a team.
They developed a good mix (for a while) between local and bought talent.
While Wenger brought in the French Nat team with him.
Either way a few scousers and the Senegalese Nat. team can sort them both out….!!!

 

I think Alex's main influence has been motivational. He's famous for his "hairdryer treatment" at half-time if he needs to pick up his team. I suspect he's the only manager that can handle Roy Keane

The midfield evolved over several years starting with Beckham, Giggs and Scholes in the youth team and Keane joining Utd as a young promising player. They're not only top quality players but complement each others' skills and roles and have the cohesion that comes from seven years or more playing together.

He's not a good judge of players - at least not his early judgement - and Utd's current weakness comes from some bad signings he's made over the last couple of years. Veron doesn't operate well at Premiership pace (better in the Champions League), Blanc has lost far too much pace and Forlan just isn't scoring goals at this level (first open play goal on Saturday after 35 matches). Barthez isn't the quality goalkeeper he needed.

His arrogance I think is now causing him to refuse to recognise the problems he's created with these signings. He's destroyed his superb midfield trying to fit it around Veron as well as forcing a one-man-up-front formation that clearly doesn't work. They've gone from 100 goals a season to wondering how they can score against Graham Taylor's Aston Villa.

Saturday's result, where he reverted to the old 4-4-2 formation, suggests that he may now have caused permanent damage to the team cohesion.

He said a couple of weeks ago that he wasn't concerned about the loss of form. I think he is now. I certainly am

 

The Premiership clubs run their own youth teams and often have players from around 15/16 onwards. Maybe even earlier - I'm not sure of the regulations on that but there's some rule about how young they can be.

Man Utd had a guy called Brian Kidd in charge of the youth team and a lot of good youngsters came through under his guidance. Just how much influence Ferguson would have on that I don't know, I guess he takes credit for employing Kidd. Kidd however has gone to Leeds and this might be the reason why these youth players have dried up a little though Brown and O'Shea have come through recently and both look like being regular members of the England and Irish squads in the future.

Another reason for Ferguson's success was Eric Cantona who transformed the bunch of kids into Premiership Champions. He fell almost accidentally into Alex's hands when they had no use of him at Leeds under Wilkinson. Alex was talking to Howard about another player when Cantona's availablity came up in the conversation. Wilkinson told Ferguson he could have Cantona for a paltry one million. Alex took a chance and never looked back. Cantona became the most influential Premiership player ever and was certainly the major reason for Utd's success in the nineties.

But Alex has to take credit for handling Cantona and getting the best out of, something no other manager had been able to do including the French national manager. He was a very complex personality but Alex managed to accomodate him.

That's Alex's forte - he does handle players well. He gave Cantona his head and Cantona repayed him in gold. He handles Keane well, as we've seen, not something the Irish manager can do But if the players get above themselves, as Paul Ince and Andre Kanchelskis did, then they're shown the door immediately and Alex moves on.

I've a feeling that Alex saw Veron as a second Cantona but I'm beginning to feel though that he's now losing his grip

 

clubs normally pick up alot of talented young kids at around 11 year old. Then they filter out the crap (no offense) and then carry o with the rest from about 15/16

 

Good question Dave, in a nutshell.
In the US athletes are tracked through High School if they show promise they are ‘given’ an athletic scholarship and after college they go through a draft (sort of lottery) to pro clubs. (I said “in a nutshell”)
In Britain people go to college to be educated (snide, aside! ) College sports are ‘virtually’ non existent. A lot of Pro clubs now have invitational tryouts for youngsters who show promise. School coaches and club scouts probably put their names forward at the tender ages of 11 and up.
If chosen Kids would then go the pro clubs “Football Academy” where they would continue their education with excellent tutors and also work with the pro club coaches on their football skills.
Beckham, and Michael Owen are just two names to come out of this.
The manager/head coach probably wouldn't see or be involved until a very late state of their developement.

Go to the LFC website and look for academy for more info.

 

I think the main bit of credit Ferguson should get for getting the youngsters through is having the stomach to put them into the first team. Before he did that there was a litany of Man Yoo managers who tried to buy success and it never worked. People might say that he was lucky they all came along at the same time, but he still had to make the decision to move on established stars to make room for them. He has to be commended for this. His record in the transfer market is pretty bad, off the top of my head I'd say only Keane, Cantona and van Nistelrooy are buys of his that really paid off over the years he has been at Man Yoo.

 

He does have to handle the transition from youth football to first team football through reserve team football. Many a young player fails to successfully make this transition. That's why Everton are talking about "protecting" the 16 year old Rooney who burst onto the scene this season. This kid has great talent but it could be destroyed if he's pushed to quickly or doesn't get the right development.

The youngsters need to be carefully nurtured during this period of up to 5 years and Alex did that well with the kids he had and produced a Premiership and CL winning team in the process.

 

£1.5 million for Ole Solskjaer isn't all that bad.

 

Alex Ferguson=Tommy Lasorda

Arsene Wenger=Tony LaRussa

 

Yeah, but why does he keep on refusing to play him regularly? I've seen him play Scholes and Giggs up front at times when Solskjaer is sitting on the bench!