West Ham should get points deducted

Discussion in 'Premier League: News and Analysis' started by Gliding7, May 5, 2007.

  1. Gliding7

    Gliding7 New Member

    May 1, 2007
    I support the bottom six (clubs)' proposal of suing West Ham and the Premier League.

    I have nothing against West Ham FC. But from what I known, if in a football match, a team field an illegal player, the final result of the match will be deemed as invalid, with the win reward to the other side.

    West Ham has played 2 illegal players for a series of matches, so how on earth they only got fined of cash yet with no point deduction?

    On the surface of it, yes, they were punished by a heavy fine, 5.5 mil. But if the survive the relegation, they would go on and save themselves 20 mil for next season's Premiership status alone. How does this justify?

    It also opens a dangerous case for the future. From now on, the clubs would just buy anyone they want, regardless of if they are an illegal purchase or not. Since they ain't going to get deduct points anyway.
     
  2. musicl

    musicl New Member

    Jan 9, 2004
    Prem League want the big name clubs in the prem, which West Ham are.

    Who would you rather watch? Wigan or West Ham?
     
  3. Milos

    Milos Member+

    Sep 6, 2003
    Iacon
    Club:
    Coventry City FC
    West Ham got off lightly with the fine. The other clubs have every right to be annoyed with the descision.
     
  4. United Pumps

    United Pumps New Member

    Apr 15, 2007
    come from?
    Wigan \o/
     
  5. Gliding7

    Gliding7 New Member

    May 1, 2007
    It's not about who I rather watch. Early this season Bury were thrown out of the FA Cup for fielding an ineligible player; 10 yrs ago Middlesbrough were deducted 3 points for failing to fill a match squad (16 of their players were out injury).

    Now u got 2 ineligible players playing so many games illegally for their club, yet they don't even get a single point deducted?

    Fairness is what I want to see. When the clubs feel a league doesn't treat its clubs fairly, the league will lose its creditbility in a long term.

    Even Sir Alex supported the bottom six's proposal.
     
  6. Jabinho

    Jabinho New Member

    May 29, 2004
    Exactly.. The decision not to deduct points makes the league looks rather Italianish..:eek:
     
  7. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    I'm sure that the vast majority of fans would prefer to watch the team that has not cheated and lied about it to stay in the division.
     
  8. Fires Of Fulham

    Fires Of Fulham New Member

    Mar 30, 2005
    Chicago, USA
    That is so cynical but so true. But is a big club mired in the relegation battle really more of a draw than a cinderella story like Reading?
     
  9. leg_breaker

    leg_breaker Member

    Dec 23, 2005
    Great, we lost three vital points due to two goals scored by an illegal player. And we say the Italians are corrupt...
     
  10. Walter3000

    Walter3000 Member+

    Apr 8, 2004
    gainesville, Florida
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    West Ham.
     
  11. Gliding7

    Gliding7 New Member

    May 1, 2007
    Exactly. Besides, if the Premiership only wants big name clubs, might as well automatically promote Nottingham Forest, Leeds, Sheff Wed the likes straight back to the top flight.

    no matter what, be it the Premiership title, or just to survive in the relegation, a team has to EARN for it.
     
  12. PsychedelicCeltic

    PsychedelicCeltic New Member

    Dec 10, 2003
    San Francisco/London
    Doesn't matter, as it looks like a load of Premiership clubs are happy to bankrupt them. Hehehe.
     
  13. eliostar

    eliostar Member

    Aug 2, 2001
    toronto
    No they should not be deducted points, The league should have done something before it got to this point. It is unfair to the entire team and and it's fans. Let the play on the field decide who stays , not some boardroom ruling. The league should have stepped in straight away and denied that move, after the fact it's ridiculous.
     
  14. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    The field of play is where West Ham have been able to field a player who should not have been playing. Every time they have played Tevez and Mascherano they have been knowingly breaking Premier League rules and certainly over the last couple of months they have gained a significant advantage from this. Without Tevez they would have been down some weeks ago.
     
  15. leg_breaker

    leg_breaker Member

    Dec 23, 2005
    Every match involving Tevez or Mascherano should be awarded as a win to the opposing team, and -3 points to West Ham.
     
  16. green94

    green94 Member

    Jan 1, 2007
    Minneapolis
    Club:
    Hamburger SV
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I sense.....bitterness?
     
  17. leg_breaker

    leg_breaker Member

    Dec 23, 2005
    Why shouldn't I we be bitter? They signed a player illegally to stop themselves being relegated. Any other team would have been deducated points, but they're the media darlings so they get away with it.
     
  18. green94

    green94 Member

    Jan 1, 2007
    Minneapolis
    Club:
    Hamburger SV
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I understand your bitterness about them getting Tevez, but your statement about him being brought in to prevent relegation is terribly misguided. He was brough in when they were atop the league - with 0 points.
     
  19. Republic of Mancunia

    Aug 24, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Well actually he was brought in when they had 4 points from their first 3 games. [/anorak]
     
  20. glennaldo_sf

    glennaldo_sf Member+

    Houston Dynamo, Penang FC, Al Duhail
    United States
    Nov 25, 2004
    Doha, Qatar
    Club:
    FL Fart Vang Hedmark
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To be honest ... as wrong and as scandalous it is that West Ham are going to stay in the premiership next year, I think the institution to blame for this fiasco here is the FA. How they have let this continue until the end of the season is just atrocious. The FA should be deducted points for letting the two players get signed in the first place. They gave the green light for West Ham to sign the players in the first place and they continued to look away throughout the entire season.
     
  21. glennaldo_sf

    glennaldo_sf Member+

    Houston Dynamo, Penang FC, Al Duhail
    United States
    Nov 25, 2004
    Doha, Qatar
    Club:
    FL Fart Vang Hedmark
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Actually, I think that West Ham were bottom of the league at the beginning of the season - Arsenal were at the top.

    FYI:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphabetical_order
     
  22. eliostar

    eliostar Member

    Aug 2, 2001
    toronto
    If they were illegal, then the league should not have allowed them to play in the first place. Don't allow them to play, then at a later date say, well they shouldn't have played.
     
  23. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    The whole problem is that West Ham deliberately withheld the information that showed them to be illegal from the Premier League and when asked if they had any further information on their ownership denied having any.

    The inquiry said that points would have been deducted had the case been heard in January but decided not to as it was so close to the end of the season (which is hardly a valid reason - let's not ban Michael Ball for stamping on Ronaldo as we're near the end of the season). The offences clearly justified a points deduction, but for a variety of reasons (none of which stand up to any scrutiny) the Premier League decided not to deduct points.
     
  24. Gliding7

    Gliding7 New Member

    May 1, 2007
    The bottom line is - if the FA fined them 5.5 mil, it means they are GUILTY.

    And when they are proved to be GUILTY, the punishment (5.5 mil) simply does not justify. Should West Ham stays up, they will gain more finanically than they were punished. So it's like by signing illegally two players, West Ham actually were REWARDED with 20+ mil (the new TV deal next season for EPL).

    and the other club who goes down (in West Ham's place) and miss out that 30 mil+ TV deal is going to get PUNISHED by doing their transfer deals PROPERLY.

    Tell me this is fair.
     
  25. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I thought West Ham lied to the FA. If so, it's hard to blame the FA for believing West Ham.

    EDIT: lanman confirmed this.

    Looks different now, doesn't it kids?
     

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