Germany were well prepared to take the penalties. While i was watching the tv yesterday they showed what Lehman was doing before Cambiasso took his PK. While Cambiasso came to take the PK, Lehman took one small notebook from his socks and read that note, put that again inside his socks and next thing we saw was a penalty save. no doubt that he guessed every penalty right. I am just wondering how they did it? but my guess is that they watched as many clips as they could where Argentina players took the PK. from there they got exact view where our players usually hit the ball. after knowing this i am more pissed off with Pekerman, we should have won it in 120 mins if he was not that conservative.
You are right. I just read it today in "L'Equipe". It seems the Germans had done a study for each player on where they were shooting the penalties statistically. When the players who would be kicking were known, they just wrote their names and probable position on a sheet of paper and handled that to Lehman. I must say that this is great preparation, and am very surprised that our guys don't do things like that.
they said, that they have the same study done for every player that could take Pks in their grps or possible matches after that. brings a question? the confederation CUP help them start the study at HOME....PKs and player profiles or tendencies for next WC, the confederation cup will take place 11 months prior to to the wC in southafrica.....is like: TOP CONTENDERS.....send the best I want to study you and take notes. I would not mind if next time, couple of teams send their C teams.... and i hope for the best teams possible at nect copa america! what do you guys think of that home 'field & study' advantage?
In the press conference following the match of 4ters with Argentina, Bierhoff stated that the coaching team had checked on players all the way back to 2 years, searching for the way they took penalties. Leahmnn had the paper for all 5 of the shooters in his sock. Reality is that many in Argentina's press believed it was some big BS. The day before the game, the team practiced penalties ... each player took only 1. Among the ones that missed in practice were Tevez, Mascherano, Palacio and Franco ... reason why neither Tevez nor Masche shooted. For example, the last time that Cambiasso took a penalty it was probably against Mexico in the Confederations Cup semis last year. Ayala? ... couldn't recall when. But it is possible that Germany had "spies" for the different teams ... and followed the way they shot penalties during their training in Germany and even before, at their home countries, to check on tendencies. Do players always kick to the same place? No, unless they are pretty bad penalty kickers. Most players choose the spot once they are in front of the goal. But the pressure of kicking in front of a home crowd, in a WC defining game, can make the shooter go for the "safest" ... and that could had been documented. Either way, Lehmann grew in notoriety when he silenced a packed Giuseppe Meazza against Inter in the PKs of final of the UEFA Cup 1997. And we all remeber the game at Villarreal. He has the cold blood for it. .
There is more to Lehmann's luck ... a Swedish newspaper presented this These Germans don't leave anything up in the air. .
This is why they win and Argentina doesn't. While we were still celebrating with asados beating Serbia, the Germans were preparing themselves to go all the way to the end even Pekerman said that our team didn't even bother preparing for pks. This is also why we almost got knocked out by Mexico afterwards and needed extra time, we didn't do our homework in studying them either. Remember when we said that we were Riquelme dependent? it turned out to be true, without him Argentina lost a lot, even with him in the field we still lost something when Riquelme's head was somewhere else. The same thing happened when we lost Abbondanzieri, we weren't prepared for that possibillity either, but it happened. We need players than can function in more than one way, we need more Sorins than can run 90 minutes non stop and play in different parts of the field and be able to attack as well as defend.
I was in Berlin last week from Wednesday to Saturday and I was at this last match. The reason why we lost is that the evening before the game at the hotel where the team was staying there were about 200-300 Argentine fans waiting and singing for at least 3 hrs for the team to show up from visiting the stadium for the first time and when finally the bus showed up German Polizei escorted the bus to the back of the hotel and blocked off the streets so that no one would bother the team.......this sucked!!! everybody was like what the fck??!! We were all expecting to sing and scream to the players as they exited the bus but nope we were all left standing in the cold... hahaa this is not why we lost but i really thought that was bad karma pekerman fcked it up
I don't see why we cannot do the same. I think when the coach was Bilardo we used to have that kind of preparation. I don't like some things about Bilardo, but he was always well prepared for opponents.
naaaah man, listen I saw a program the other day where maradona was interviewed and he recalled the times with Bilardo. Maradona, as always, laughed about how they lived during the concentration prior to the games in 1990. On one ocassion, he said that BIlardo told him to go tell Caniggia to stop smoking marihuana in his room, so Maradona came upstairs to caniggias room and the whole room was loaded with smoke and there was caniggia and another player smoking dope. Maradona looked at caniggia all puzzled and told him to at least open the window so it won't smell as much. Maradona was the one also that told the story where they gave water to a brazilian player (Branco) in our great victory against brazil, the water had sleeping pills mixed in it, Bilardo told the water boy which water to give the brazilian, not that the water influenced the game or anything but, just think of bilardo's mentality. Bilardo was also known to play with a needle in his young days and he would poke the opposing strikers with it. Man I don't want to go back to that. I think we need someone that can discipline these guys, who can impose on them the rules and make them follow it and if they don't kick them out. Peckerman didn't do a bad job, he got the same result as Passarella, another coach who told the players to go fack themselves if they didn't follow his orders. Man also in the past, when the WC was celebrated in Sweden I believe our players were doing what riquelme was doing in Barca and leaving the concentration at night to go party with prostitutes until they got beaten so bad (6-1 to czech republic, lost 3-1 to the germans and beat ireland 3-1, we ended up last in the first round, a total scandal). Our guys need someone to control their every move at all times. Another thing, I don't think it's a good idea for the fans to be singing yelling and dancing outside the hotel at night while our guys are sleeping and trying to recover, the last thing they need is people distracting them with this crap, so if this has happened that is another reason to explains our loss.
Proof, pictures or at least a link to something that could back this up. If true, I hope she or they were hotties. This alone would justify his actions.
Hottie or not, he's married with two kids (or at least one when he was at Barca) and that would be awful This has to be a joke.
This just blew my mind. How the hell are you supposed to prepare for something like that. You just have to replace him with another keeper. Nothing to prepare here Our players are not mindless robots like the talentless Germans. I can't even picture Riquelme having a party with prostitutes. Just the thought of it makes me laugh my ass off.
I figured as much in regards to it being a joke. Roman commonly wore a t-shirt with the picture of one of his kids under his camasita. His ears thing he does after scoring is for his child.
yah i knew about that (so sweet)- seriously, what the heck is that about? prostitutes. i mean, really.
Sorry for the late reply. About Riquelme, it's been a while when this happened so I couldn't find any articles on the case but, I remember reading that in his times in Barcelona he was sent to the bench one time because he was followed by a member of the club and basically discovered that Riquelme would routinely lead a crazy nocturnal life and they did mention that he would go for prostitutes. Obviously it's been several years since all of this and the artices are hard to find if there are any anymoe on the internet. I did manage to find one on Sorins night life while in Barcelona http://www.servifutbol.com/noticias.asp?ct=253&nt=5932 another one I found in case the one above doesn't work http://www.clarin.com/diario/2003/05/26/um/m-565395.htm I can't imagine these guys doing crap like this anymore I would imagine that they don't and this has nothing to do on how they did in Germany. But after hearing the shit that Maradona tells about how they used to smoke dope in the concentration while in the WC makes me worried. This crap is always discovered later not now.
You really are making me feel really really horrible. :/ I mean I'm not blaming you it's just that, I can't believe something like that.
don't worry Sorin nor Riquelme (if he really did that) did anything that other players don't do, they are not the only ones. A lot of players are involved in things, they all have their defects, the thing is whether these things affect them or not when it comes to playing, in Germany I don't think this is the case because our guys were guarded day and night basically and the media doesn't let them breathe. Look at the brasilians, they were going to the discotheke on their free time while on Switzerland a few days before the WC started and Roberto Carlos and Ronaldo were seen going into a hotel with some ladies and didn't come out till the next day, that's got to suck for them because when they were questioned they said they would win the WC, and they didn't. That's bad.Our guys were involved in a brothel scandal during the WC in Sweden 1954? I believe , they were last, and lost almost every game in that WC, including a 6-1 thrashing against Chekoslovakia.
Maybe you misunderstood something because I looked on the internet for about an hour and found nothing relating to that? It doesn't matter if they don't do it anymore if they did it to begin with, I was just never under the impression that any of them when married with kids could do something like that. They're only human but that's really deplorable.
I know Bilardo was an ass. Also, when he was coaching a team in Colombia (I think Deportivo Cali), and they played Boca for Copa Libertadores, Bilardo had one of his players spray something in the eyes of Boca's Mastrangelo that impaired his vision. He also had the floor of Boca's dressing room made slippery so they couldn't prepare well, he did all kinds of crap. They also arranged for prostitutes to be sent to the hotel to distract the players. And they did the same when they played other teams, like Olimpia of Paraguay. But my point was that Bilardo studied the opponents and prepared for them, including the penalty takers. It is no coincidence that Goyco did so well in the penalty shootouts in 1990, winning both in the quarters and the semis. They studied the rivals, just like the Germans did this time. That is what I was referring to, I see no reason why Pekerman and other coaches cannot do it as well. (Studying the rivals, not the dirty tricks.)
To be honest ASF, Bianchi won many more PK deciders ... yet the 2nd to last was against River for semis, and Pato answered he just guessed. To me, to "study" a penalty taker is not as important as the Germans have made it sound. It is up to the shooter to choose, and rarely does a player shoot at the same place. If he does, then he shouldn't had been a taker. It is bizarre that Tevez declared in the press conference along Saviola, a couple days prior to the game, that he would kick the ball and blow the keeper's head off. Yet, he missed 1 penalty in the training b4 the game and wasn't chosen to kick. That is what the players needed to do. Blow Lehmann off, not a soft kick and badly placed. Lehmann reading his notes could be a psychological trick if he is letting the shooter see him ... but the loss in penalties was due to poor execution. Had the ball gone where it should, it wouldn't even matter if Lehmann had guessed the side. Did you see Zizou against Portugal? Didn't matter that Ricardo guessed where. All the talk post elimination makes me remember that "mina" in the CQC spot pre-WC ... "que cara de bueno que tiene Pekerman". Indeed, he is been portrayed as naive, specially when compared to Bilardo. Bilardo's team was Diego + 10 ... there is no more Diego, thou this team had better football. And with football you have more chances to win games. .
Exactly.Shoot to kill. Ayala's missed pk reminds me of his miss vs Brazil in the Copa America de Paraguay in 97, a soft shot real low on the ground. Pk takers that I always liked the way they kicked their penalties were guys like Netto,Serrizuela,Medina Bello,Bastistuta,Alebrto Acosta,Trotta, just to name a few. Also since some of you mentioned some of Bilardos crazy ways.Once an uncle of mines told me awhile back how dirty and how hard it was to defeat Estudiantes de La Pata from back in the days when Bilardo was a player along with Pachame,Aguirre Suarez who was/is a cousin of a cousin.I believe and if I remember correctly that the Estudiantes players had sewing needles and poked the opponents during corner kicks ! ! Don't know if it was the or one of the Libertadores finals they played during 1968-1970 or the Intercontinental Cup vs Milan where Estudiantes players were heavily suspended for their actions. Also my pops which is a Cuervo fan once went to a Estudiantes - San Lorenzo match and had Aguirre Suarez get him in with the team and my dad goes to Suarez,"hey don't kick el Bambino Veira", and the player from el pincha replies," If Elsa is there,i'll kick her also!" Elsa being his mother. Bilardo is a freak and will do whatever it takes but I honestly would not like to have him be the head coach once again for our NT.He was very fortunate to have Maradona.Other wise...