Well that's just great! Scriptures inscribed on military weapons.

Pathogen · Jan 19, 2010

Oh, it's worse than you think.

Coded references to New Testament Bible passages about Jesus Christ are inscribed on high-powered rifle sights provided to the United States military by a Michigan company, an ABC News investigation has found.

The sights are used by U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and in the training of Iraqi and Afghan soldiers. The maker of the sights, Trijicon, has a $660 million multi-year contract to provide up to 800,000 sights to the Marine Corps, and additional contracts to provide sights to the U.S. Army.
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This shit is made just down the street from where I live. Oh, but it's not a crusade. It's not. Just tell these retards that.

Of course...

Tom Munson, director of sales and marketing for Trijicon, which is based in Wixom, Michigan, said the inscriptions "have always been there" and said there was nothing wrong or illegal with adding them.
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Thank you for helping my taste become a bigger embarrassment nationally. Awesome.

Matt in the Hat · Jan 19, 2010

Do the sights work? That's all that matters.

This is a big who cares.

argentine soccer fan · Jan 19, 2010

I wonder what scripture was inscribed in the nuclear bomb they dropped on Hiroshima...

"Father, forgive them, for they know not what they are doing"

Or maybe

"It is finished"

DoyleG · Jan 19, 2010

A weapon that has Christian scriptures on its sights isn't a concern.

Its all the bullets that say "To Whom it May Concern" that are the problem.

argentine soccer fan · Jan 19, 2010

It would be cool if one of the weapons says "Thou shall not kill".

Pathogen · Jan 19, 2010

Carry on, people. MitH says it's no big deal.

Matt in the Hat · Jan 19, 2010

Pathogen said: ↑

Carry on, people. MitH says it's no big deal.
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Glad we are on the same page. Close the thread.

Pathogen · Jan 19, 2010

Matt in the Hat said: ↑

Glad we are on the same page. Close the thread.
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Go ahead. But why don't you give it 24 hours. You know, it case other people decide you're not the purveyor of all discussions of import around here.

Matt in the Hat · Jan 19, 2010

Pathogen said: ↑

Go ahead. But why don't you give it 24 hours. You know, it case other people decide you're not the purveyor of all discussions of import around here.
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Well if you need the echo chamber around here to validate your opinions, that's swell. Pathetic and sad, but swell.

And how dare I have a different point of view. I should be ashamed.

Pathogen · Jan 19, 2010

Matt in the Hat said: ↑

Well if you need the echo chamber around here to validate your opinions, that's swell. Pathetic and sad, but swell.

And how dare I have a different point of view. I should be ashamed.
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Congratulations. You're not bothered. So why suggest closing it, threadjacker? It's not quite February. I'm not ready for you to be back to your dickish self so soon after the new year.

Caesar · Jan 19, 2010

Duh. Everyone knows that if you don't sanctify them you can't kill vampires and zombies and werewolves and stuff.

Matt in the Hat · Jan 19, 2010

Pathogen said: ↑

Congratulations. You're not bothered. So why suggest closing it, threadjacker? It's not quite February. I'm not ready for you to be back to your dickish self so soon after the new year.
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You started the prick assault, asshole.

https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19721779&postcount=6

You think something is a big deal. I don't. Instead of having a discussion you get indignant. Typical you. Open minded until someone doesn't see things your way. Then bring on the pissyness.

This piece of equipment is designed to kill. Who cares what the ******** is engraved on it? The morality of taking a life trumps every issue ancillary to it.

soccernutter · Jan 19, 2010

Caesar said: ↑

Duh. Everyone knows that if you don't sanctify them you can't kill vampires and zombies and werewolves and stuff.
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And I thought those things just hung malls and places like that. But they are in Iraq and Afghanistan? Who knew?

superdave · Jan 19, 2010

What is there to discuss? I don't see how this is worth a thread. At least not in the politics forum. In the religion forum, it probably would lead to an interesting discussion of the ethics of being a soldier and what the Thou Shalt Not Kill commandment really means.

I want to test out this new feature...bear with me.
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Howzat look?

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Foosinho · Jan 19, 2010

Disappointing - Trijicon makes good hardware. Of course, as a private company it is their right to adorn their products however they wish, but it is entirely inappropriate for this stuff to be on issued military gear. I think the military should stop purchasing Trijicon stuff unless the gear delivered to fulfil a military PO is sans-scripture.

This does make me glad I went with an EOTech sight on my rifle, and has kind of cured me of the desire to someday get an ACOG. I find mixing religion and capitalism kind of crass, and don't really have any desire to support Trijicon by giving them my money.

Unfortunately, this controversy will, undoubtedly, garnish Trijicon a lot of support from the "pro-military" community. There really are an awful lot of people who conflate Christianity with both America (like the Trijicon spokesman) or with American military policy in the self-described "pro-military" camp. It's kind of off-putting.

Kobranzilla · Jan 19, 2010

Jesus would have wanted it this way...I think it was in the book of Matthew where they say

And the Lord spake, saying, 'First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then, shalt thou count to three. No more. No less. Three shalt be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, nor either count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then, lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it.'
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argentine soccer fan · Jan 19, 2010

Sometimes a scripture could be helpful in explaining a crime. Like, lets say, a guy kills his wife, and when they find the gun, it turns out that it says "Thou shall not commit adultery".

argentine soccer fan · Jan 19, 2010

superdave said: ↑

What is there to discuss? I don't see how this is worth a thread. At least not in the politics forum. In the religion forum, it probably would lead to an interesting discussion of the ethics of being a soldier and what the Thou Shalt Not Kill commandment really means.

I want to test out this new feature...bear with me.
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Howzat look?

Edit...hmm, not what I expected
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WTF is that? Some soccer strategy thingy?

Do you have a link?

Barbara · Jan 19, 2010

argentine soccer fan said: ↑

WTF is that? Some soccer strategy thingy?

Do you have a link?
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https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/blog.php?b=7461

argentine soccer fan · Jan 19, 2010

Barbara said: ↑

https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/blog.php?b=7461
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Thanks.

To get the thread back on track, I would think it's rather hypocritical to put scripture on weapons, but I suppose it really depends on what scriptures they are inscribing.

If the inscription on the weapon says "Vengeance is mine", it's not really hypocritical. If it says "Love one another"... that's a different story.

Barbara · Jan 19, 2010

argentine soccer fan said: ↑

Thanks.

To get the thread back on track, I would think it's rather hypocritical to put scripture on weapons, but I suppose it really depends on what scriptures they are inscribing.

If the inscription on the weapon says "Vengeance is mine", it's not really hypocritical. If it says "Love one another"... that's a different story.
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Pretty much no equipment the government purchases - unless it's for chaplains - should contain scripture of any kind.

The cognitive dissonance between the actual scripture and its presence on a weapon is a secondary concern.

Matt in the Hat · Jan 19, 2010

Barbara said: ↑

Pretty much no equipment the government purchases - unless it's for chaplains - should contain scripture of any kind.
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Even if it's the best?

These scopes can say 'Matt in the Hat fellates little boys' as long as they are the best scopes our soldiers can get their hands on.

roadkit · Jan 19, 2010

argentine soccer fan said: ↑

I wonder what scripture was inscribed in the nuclear bomb they dropped on Hiroshima...

"Father, forgive them, for they know not what they are doing"

Or maybe

"It is finished"
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Is "Don't bother running, you'll just die tired" a bible verse?

PhillyQuakesFan · Jan 19, 2010

Barbara said: ↑

Pretty much no equipment the government purchases - unless it's for chaplains - should contain scripture of any kind.

The cognitive dissonance between the actual scripture and its presence on a weapon is a secondary concern.
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How long until the PC police starts beating the drums for the disbanding of the armed forces' chaplain corps??

Does this mean government dollars can't be used to buy food from Chick-Fil-A or In-N-Out??

superdave · Jan 19, 2010

Philly, how would you feel if they started inscribing verses from the Koran?

Thanks for the link, Barbara

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Let's see how that works.