So it is finally offical, our coach for the coming season is M. Allegri. It will be interesting to see if he brings some people with him und what plans he has with the squad. I thought i open a thread to discuss, speculate and voice one's opinion. Will there be a change in tactics? Does Allegri have certain transfers in mind? (maybe guys from Calgiari?) What will the staff look like? Can he cope with Galliani and Berlusconi? (it's not like he made friends with Cellino). What do you think about the guy anyway?
i don't know anything about him, but i wish him the best of luck. hopefully, he can deal with management tactfully. it sounds like a bunch of our guys are excited to play for him so that's a positive thing.
Well its about fvking time as well. Jesus, I hope we don't drag on every single transfer this year for that long.
I don't feel that Ancelotti and Leonardo were puppets of Berlusconi. Of course every coach has to make due with the money from the owner and Berlusconi certainly will enrich us with his wisdom on tactics when things are not smooth, but I don't think Allegri will be affected by it (as Ancelotti and Leonardo were not). Our president is hard to cope with, but so are most of them.
When a employee does not listen to his boss and the team somehow cannot win, he will be gone. As proven by both Ancelotti and Leonardo.
what formation do you think he'll use. A 4-3-3? sokratis/zambro-nesta-t.silva-antonini flamini-pirlo-ambrosini pato-borriello/huntelaar-ronaldinho I think I would prefer a 4-2-3-1 sokratis/zambro-nesta-t.silva-antonini flamini-ambrosini pato-pirlo-ronaldinho borriello/hunterlaar but i guess the only difference is that pirlo is farther up front
Giancarlo and I were having this discussion in the Inter forum but I thought this was a more appropriate place as it was getting offtrack there. What are everyone's thoughts of Allegri's performance thus far compared to Leonardo's? Giancarlo's main points were... (and I agree with some of them) that Milan's defense looks much more secure and that Allegri has proven himself a better tactican. I pointed out that Leonardo finished with roughly the same amount of points domestically and also finished 2nd in the CL group (with a superior record) by this point last season... ...but did so with an inferior squad (as is mentioned above). So, I was just saying that, so far, Allegri, when it comes to results, hasn't done any better really that Leonardo has up to this point in the season. Yes, the most impressive statistic is that Milan are in first now and look to seal the Scudetto but, IMO, this is more due to Inter's decline and the transfer additions that Milan brought in, NOT due to Allegri's managerial performance. What say you? And, by the way, arguing with a point with numbers (i.e., points earned) is objective.
for the most part, the team is playing more efficiently under allegri. under leo, it was the same as under carlo at the end. the team was static and the guys would stand around waiting and watching. we would possess the ball all day, but in the attacking third, there were lots of idle touches. under allegri, the attack and build up are much more dynamic. i don't get the feeling that we are pounding our heads into a brick wall nearly as often this season compared to the last few years.
Imho half a season is far to short a period to judge Allegri and Milan's progress. You could easily pull the exact same example with Juve who had just 1 point less at this stage of the season last year, with Juve having pulled some major transfers to improve the team (probably even more than Milan). Although all the "objective" numbers speak against Del Neri, he is (imho rightfully) praised for successfully improving Juve. Allegri is far from faultless but he did a pretty good job in implementing the new players (which arrived very late for the most part). Unfortunatly our transfers didn't do very much for our defense and midfield, so he has to work with the same core players Leo had last season. So imo it's not like Allegri has this great new shiny squad which is miles ahead of everybody else and Leo had nothing. If I had to compare I would say both coaches did pretty good, but Allegri doesn't get as much credit as Leo or Del Neri.
Sure, it's much more dynamic when you have an attack of Robinho-Ibrahimovic-Pato and Prince behind them . Allegri's attack is undoubtedly better but he also has much better players to work with.
You make good, sound points island and I agree with you. The reason I bring it up is because we were discussing Allegri v. Leo in another thread and people were making it seem like Leo was horrible and Allegri has been fantastic when the numbers don't really show much of a difference. A half a season is, undoubtedly, too short to judge a coach so I agree with you. I do feel the sentiment is much stronger with Allegri at the helm (and Del Neri at Juve's) but as I was mentioning, right now neither coach has surpassed the achievements of their predecessors. Perhaps by the end of the season they will, but so far they have not. But, I do disagree with regard to their respective squads. Allegri got world class players in Ibra, Robinho and Prince (the latter two often are in the midfield or advanced midfield positions). Leo got a decent player in Huntelaar and a below-average backup in Oneyqu. So, for Leo to have gotten roughly the same amount of points at this point this season which an inferior squad says something IMO.
Yeah maybe I'm just a spoilt, ever discontent fan. I'll go way off-topic here but since I have your attention DaveyG, I wanted to ask about Juve. I was thinking about them some lately and I would like to hear an opinion of a supporter on how happy you are with the team now and what progress do you feel is happening under Del Neri. Also I would want to know about certain players and how you feel about them, namely Melo, Aquilani, Quagliarella, Bonucci.
Aren't we all Sure... though, this is getting a little off-topic so I'll address it somewhat. If you want to discuss further direct me to a Juve thread and we can continue there. Like you guys feel about Allegri (I'd assume), I feel the team is playing better under Del Neri than they did under Ferrara and Zaccheroni last year (ugh what a disaster). But, I still feel results are something which Del Neri needs to work on. We are unbeaten since Sept 23rd, I believe, but we have an awful lot of draws, many of which against lesser sides. We also floundered in the EL. But, I feel the direction Del Neri is taking the team is a good one so I am happy even though we currently sit in 4th. He has gotten better performances out of Melo, Aquilani and Quagliarella, individuals who have underperfomed in recent years. Reviving their confidences is commendable. Bonucci is slowly developing a strong partnership with Chiellini, I hope it continues. My only fear is that this will end. If I look at our squad, I know we are inferior to Milan and Inter, and perhaps even Roma too. So, I'm worried we may be outperforming and stutter in the second half of the season. Again, Del Neri's results aren't far off from what Ferrara did at this time last year so I am cautious in praising him too early.
No, Allegri has done better. It's just reality. We aren't in first because of Inter's decline. You simply forget to mention there are other teams doing way better this season, like Lazio and Napoli (who scare me). Again, looking at statistics only tells half the story. We were lucky last season... very lucky Ronaldinho gave a crap. If he didn't we'd be in the bottom half of the table. You're making inconsistent, and unfair points. The situation has changed drastically in the Serie A this season. Leonardo is an ineffective, rigid tactician who pays little attention to the defense. W
I would say that with Allegri, Milan has looked a lot steadier. Yes the attack looks more dynamic because we have all round better players manning the attack. But the midfield and defense are largely the same but we looked a lot steadier. The reason for this is that Allegri has understood our weakness and has made tactical adjustments to overcome that. We can actually hang on to one goal leads now. When Leo was around, every game made me a nervous wreck. We never did look quite sure and while we got the points, a lot of times it was based on luck more than anything else. Everytime you win a game when you have looked unsteady for most of the game, luck does play a part in it. With Allegri, we have looked a lot more solid. It looks like a side that can win the Scudetto. With Leo, we only hoped it was a side that could win the Scudetto. There is more confidence in the team, more solidity, and a much better work ethic. These things are hard to quantify, of course, and points wise the difference does not seem large. But we are in first place, and essentially its all that matters. Even if points our roughly the same, we are still in first place (and lets be honest, thats what really matters) and Serie A this year is a hell of a lot more balanced than last year. Be that as it may due to Inter's decline, but it also has a lot to do with the improvements made by teams like Palermo, Napoli, Lazio..