News: Welcome Brek: Potter (Brek Shea at Stoke/ On loan to Birmingham)

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  1. Martin Fischer

    Martin Fischer Member+

    Feb 23, 1999
    Kampala. Uganda
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We will see, but I think the question is how big of a drop off there will be, not if. (Of course, it also depends on if the Red Bulls can find somebody comparable and if they decide to spend the money).
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  2. jcsd

    jcsd Member+

    Jan 27, 2006
    My memory of BWP in England was that in the Premiership and Championship he had the reputation as a reasonably promosing youngster, but never moved beyond this tag and ultimately he failed to make the grade in either the Premiership or the Championship. At League One he was a decent striker, but at no time close to being top scorer in League One.

    I saw him play in the Championship years ago, he's not without talent - if you had to describe him you'd say he was a fairly similar player to his dad, but not as good (his dad was very good). I'm actually not surprised he's done well in the MLS as he's precisely the kind of player given the right set of circumstances could exceed what he's done in England.

    I think Shea is better physically than BWP, but not as talented. However I think back in the MLS he could probably do a lot more than he has done in England.
  3. Sergei_Shtaniuk

    Sergei_Shtaniuk Member+

    Dec 4, 2012
    Stoke City FC
    More than decent record for Plymouth and Charlton, think thats definitely his level.

    I agree about his dad, similair players, but where his dad only needed one chance, Bradley needs 2 or 3. Always think we underused Ian for England, Venables never seemed to rate him
  4. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    When an American fan in one of the English club boards mention some MLS player, as a possible signing, the English fans laugh and reply, "MLS? Isn't that the league where Wright-Phillips, Bradley, mind, not Shaun, is the top scorer? That lad couldn't cut it in the Championship here! I guess League 1 is about MLS level then. So no, we don't want {whatever MLS player was proposed}."
  5. Sergei_Shtaniuk

    Sergei_Shtaniuk Member+

    Dec 4, 2012
    Stoke City FC
    Mark Hughes has confirmed that a deal is being discussed and he expects it to be done soon
  6. Higher Learning

    Jul 1, 2009
    San Jose
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  7. Sam Hamwich

    Sam Hamwich BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 11, 2006
    poor justin mapp, you're not alone.
  8. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Have you heard or read anything about Agudelo from the Stoke end of it? There have been some rumblings that he's waiting it out and trying to get an EU passport for January so he can sign with Stoke.
  9. Placid Casual

    Placid Casual Member+

    Apr 2, 2004
    Bentley's Roof
    Good lord. Not this investor passport nonsense again.
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  10. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    They make it sound as if MLS will be on level with League 1 forever.
  11. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    Gotta say maybe it's for the best but there must have been decent offers for him somewhere in Europe but maybe the $$$ wasn't worth it to him.
  12. Sergei_Shtaniuk

    Sergei_Shtaniuk Member+

    Dec 4, 2012
    Stoke City FC
    Not a whisper. No point, he wont get a work permit until he plays more games for the US side and he wont get games until he signs for another club. England is essentially closed to him unless he can find some long lost relative with an EU passport.

    Its a joke considering the players Chelsea have been allowed to bring in
  13. Fanatical Monk

    Fanatical Monk Member+

    Jun 14, 2011
    Henry can make most any defense look League 1 level. What a player.

    Now, a little credit belongs to guys like Dax for allowing them freedom up front. When Cahill was inserted into the mix it didn't work as well.

    BWP is a good MLS scorer. I saw him finish some great goals. But early in the season, you saw what I'm sure was seen a lot in England. He looked like a wasted signing for about a month or so until he got it rolling.
  14. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    Perhaps they will respect MLS more if a Henry-less BWP scores fewer goals in 2015.
  15. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Yep. I'm counting on that already.

    But, in short, BWP's record this year has not been good PR for the MLS.
  16. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic

    Give it a rest FFS.

    "Rumblings" indeed. From who? You?

    "Trying" is one thing. "Getting" is another. And if he doesn't get it, where is he?

    And anyway, there was nothing to stop him from signing a 1 or 2-year deal with a buy-out clause with Utrecht or Anderlecht while he pursued his EU passport fantasy.


    Agudelo failed at a trial - not training, a trial - at Wolves because it would take too long to get him fit enough for last season's D3 champs. He's - at least - 2 months away from match fitness for an EPL team.

    The Stoke boat sailed long ago.

    At this stage, even if he gets a passport, it's bottom-third of the Championship
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  17. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    I didn't attempt to read your post once I saw what you did. Give it a rest. You really have something against Agudelo. All I did was ask a question with no attempt to add any opinion into it. All I was looking for was that guy to answer. You don't need to derail the thread by turning this into a big discussion about Agudelo.
  18. Real Corona

    Real Corona Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 19, 2008
    FC Metalist Kharkiv
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So skimmed over some random bwp and Agudelo chatter, help a busy guy out.

    What's Shea doing?
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  19. MLSFan123

    MLSFan123 Member+

    Mar 21, 2011
    Boston Area
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I never understand this point of view.

    Did the fact that Jay Demerit could not even get an MLS team to draft or sign him even though he was in the Chicago Fire's youth system and then him eventually ending up on an EPL team mean it was bad PR for the EPL?

    All over the world, every year, players change leagues/teams/countries etc, and sometimes the player is significantly better, sometimes he is significantly worse.

    When this happens, it is not bad PR for the league he left if he then sucks in the new league (see Lothar Mattaeus) nor should it be bad PR for a league he joins if he is successful (like BWP has been).
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  20. I'd be very surprised if Agudelo did not turn up at Stoke in early January. Stoke still want him. He still wants Stoke. And the mechanism to get the Cypriot passport seems straightforward if the requisite money is put forward.
  21. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    People are fickle and will buy into anything that supports their prejudices.

    Since the narrative in England is that the MLS = League 1, the fact that BWP, a player who failed at the Championship level and above, is having a good season in England, will be cited for now and the next couple of years. Not that they need such a comparison to groan every time a MLSer is rumored to go to their club.
  22. striker

    striker Member+

    Aug 4, 1999
    Demerit worked his way up from the 9th tier of English soccer. BWP did not have to work his way up.
  23. wixson7

    wixson7 Member+

    May 12, 2009
    Guys this is a Shea thread, c'mon. Thread killers you are.
  24. Skippysasquirrel

    May 11, 2012
    San Diego, CA
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, if the Orlando rumors are true, then he's about to come back to MLS and earn back his spot on the USMNT.
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  25. SpencerNY

    SpencerNY Member+

    Dec 1, 2001
    Up in the skyway
    Amen. I've never understood all of the guff the kid took for not being able to cut it in the biggest soccer league in the world. Welcome back, and here's to hoping he can liven up the Nat's ultra stagnant offense.
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