Wegerle - Mexico tried to bribe U.S. to throw match during 98 Qualifying

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by dwinkler, Sep 20, 2002.

  1. dwinkler

    dwinkler New Member

    Aug 11, 2000
    Denver, CO
    Wegerle - Mexico tried to bribe U.S. to throw match

    From the October FourFourTwo, in a story on what Roy Wegerle's doing these days (page 64):

    Got this issue just yesterday and found this buried, not only in the magazine, but in the story on Wegerle. That quote takes up a paragraph and then the story moves on, no explanation of circumstances, no outraged comment, no blinking, no nothing. I know that the format of the story is first person and is just one long Wegerle quote, but it strikes me as really weird that this wasn't given more play.

    Shouldn't this be a bigger story than it is? Is this old news and I'm the last person on Earth to hear about it?
     
  2. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wow.

    I can assure you, you are NOT the last person to hear about this. 2nd to last, at worst.
     
  3. MyHouse!

    MyHouse! Member

    Mar 12, 2000
    Tallahassee
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Wegerle - Mexico tried to bribe U.S. to throw match

    This makes no sense.

    1)The final qualifying game was against El Salvador who were still trying to qualify.
    2) Mexico had already qualified by virtue of the scorless tie in Azteca.

    I think that's an error. It hink they were approached by somoene from the Salvadorian federation and if I'm not mistaken, Hakes mentioned this is Captain for Life
     
  4. Playable Back

    Playable Back New Member

    Apr 26, 2002
    3rd to last
     
  5. StymieG

    StymieG Member

    Sporting KC
    United States
    Oct 9, 2000
    Jacksonville, FL
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Re: Wegerle - Mexico tried to bribe U.S. to throw match

    That makes more sense, though I hadn't heard anything like this before either. El Salvador could still have qualified if they had beaten us and (I think) Jamica had lost. Mexico had qualified with, iirc, 2 games to spare, and was never in any realistic danger of not qualifying.
     
  6. Preston North End

    Feb 17, 2000
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Mexico did qualify with two games to spare, the U.S. with one.

    It was down to Jamaica or El Salvador. A win by El Salvador and a loss by Jamaica would have put El Salvador through, on goal difference. Jamaica needed at least a tie, which they got vs. Mexico in Jamaica.

    Unless the quote is wrong in the original post (I'm not saying it is and am not doubting that it is), this is typical of 442. They are better than a club fanzine, but they are a far cry from a real magazine.
     
  7. CrewDust

    CrewDust Member

    May 6, 1999
    Columbus, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I remeber this being mentioned durning the USA-El Salvador game. A meesage was left on John Harkes voice mail.
     
  8. insomniac

    insomniac New Member

    Jun 18, 2002
    LA
    Give him a break, he's from England.

    El Salvador, Mexico, what's the difference?
     
  9. kasai

    kasai New Member

    Jul 15, 2002
    California
    LOL, those Euros know nothing about the world :) They only know their own back yard. :D
     
  10. BenReilly

    BenReilly New Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    Very funny, but actually quite true. Europeans belive they're so international because they can take a three hour train ride through several countries yet know next to nothing about the world outside Europe.
     
  11. Arisrules

    Arisrules Member

    Feb 19, 2000
    Washington, DC
    Yea, but Americans are Connoisseurs of the nuances of the local traditions of nations in latin america right? Give me a break.
     
  12. Ghost

    Ghost Member+

    Sep 5, 2001
    I remember this now. It was definitely reported at the time. For some reason, I think I remember them actually playing the messages at soem point on the telecast, although i don't remember this definitively, and it's hard to imagine them doing so. That's more a vague vague vague recollection, and I'm not confident in that prat at all.
     
  13. MyHouse!

    MyHouse! Member

    Mar 12, 2000
    Tallahassee
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think you're right, now that I think about it.
    It WAS mentioned.
     
  14. EvilRick

    EvilRick New Member

    Jun 4, 2000
    Guadalajara
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    In 1996 there were articles claiming we (Mexico) bribed FIFA to get to host the world cup.

    In 1994 There where articles claiming we paid off Canada in the last match.

    1998 This FourFourTwo crap

    2002 The Honduran Congress begins an investigation of the Honduran National Team. The
    reason: "Taking bribes from Mexican officials to throw the game at Azteca"
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    Boy, the FMF sure has alot of money to throw arround!
     
  15. Martin Fischer

    Martin Fischer Member+

    Feb 23, 1999
    Kampala. Uganda
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Look the rag screwed up. It was El Salvador, not Mexico. Mexico was already in at the time. It's really not that hard.
     
  16. Rafael Hernandez

    Rafael Hernandez Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 6, 2002
    Yeah what BS. Especially after all the reports I read about how Honduras players were devasted and how almost all their players were cryng in the locker room after the game endend. Stupid Catrachos thinking that with their "great" team, they could only lose if they were bribed. All I have to say is 3-0.


    As for 4-4-2, all I have to say that its such a stupid mistake that it almost compares to their Necaxa who?
     
  17. dheck

    dheck Member

    Sep 20, 1999
    Chapel Hill, NC, USA
    How dumb would you have to be to leave a voice mail about something like this?
     
  18. Casper

    Casper Member+

    Mar 30, 2001
    New York
    Why is everyone assuming that this happened (if it did) before the very last game of qualifying? The quote doesn't say that - a poster did and now everyone's treating it as gospel.
     
  19. Paul Nasta

    Paul Nasta Member

    Oct 16, 2001
    Long Island
    That's true. It does say that Wegerle was approached in Dallas. Anybody know if we played any qualifiers in Dallas, and, if so, who was the opponent? As I recall, the El Salvador qualifier was at Foxboro.
     
  20. Rafael Hernandez

    Rafael Hernandez Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 6, 2002
    Because it was widely known at the time that someone tried to bribe him them before the game with El Salvador. They also flat out stated it at the time and the fact the poster said it doesn't matter as much as the fact that poster remember when it happened,
     
  21. Bambule GK

    Bambule GK New Member

    Aug 16, 2000
    The ATL
    Well, according to US soccer, we played all of our WCQ's in 1997.


    Mexico in Foxboro (2-2 T, 4-20-97)
    El Sal in Foxboro (4-2 W, 11-16-97)


    Now, we did go down to Mexico City for that infamous tie. Strong possibility that we trained in Dallas, I suppose. Would somewhat match the climate down south (smog, pollution excepted, of course).

    But no qualies in Dallas... No Friendlies either, for that matter, in either 97 or 98.
     
  22. Paul Nasta

    Paul Nasta Member

    Oct 16, 2001
    Long Island
    Were Wegerle and Harkes together on DCU at the time? Maybe they were approached in Dallas when DCU was in town to play the Burn, at some point before a key qualifier.
     
  23. Rafael Hernandez

    Rafael Hernandez Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 6, 2002
    The US trained in Big Bear or some place in the mountains in California I think and not Dallas. And Mexico only needed a point to qualify and had 3 games to go. Also the fact that we endend with 3 ties cost Bora his head. So there was no need for Mexico to bribe anyone. As for El Salvador, they do needed to win to stay alive and there were claims published at that time exactly that team members had been contacted by someone with bribes. So do the math.
     
  24. Bambule GK

    Bambule GK New Member

    Aug 16, 2000
    The ATL
    They were, in fact, on the team together in '97.

    Still, I don't think we'll get very far with this line of thinking...


    I mean, I wouldn't put it past ANY supporter or mid-level lackey of ANY country to make a stoopid offer like this. IF it happened (not saying it did, but let's pretend it did) it literally could've been anyone.

    Now, if Roy is saying that he actually sat down with someone and he KNEW who the person was (not who he SAYS he was) then I might put more behind this...



    Same goes for that alleged answering machine message... Hell, I know a certain group that will go nameless (*cough*PrrojectMayhem*cough*) that wouldn't be beyond sending up a few fake smoke signals to wind up the other team/officials.
     
  25. Noah Dahl

    Noah Dahl New Member

    Nov 1, 2001
    Pottersville
    Re: Re: Wegerle - Mexico tried to bribe U.S. to throw match during 98 Qualifying

    I saw Wegs play a lot and I say he took the money.
     

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