Weakly Predicted MLS League Scoring Poll

Discussion in 'MLS: General' started by Guinho, Apr 4, 2003.

  1. Guinho

    Guinho Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes, bless their hearts
    Estonia
    May 27, 2001
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How many PhDs does it take to correctly post a poll? More than one, evidently.... Sorry for any technical difficulties you may experience!

    o.k. Thanks to all who joined in the debate on how to do the scoring. To my mind three options surfaced, and nobody howled in protest so here they are in detail. Please vote my Saturday's kickoff.

    Options 1) Last year's scoring (modified)
    2 pts for getting the result
    +0.5 for correct GD
    +0.5 for correct score
    +0.5 for correctly picking a blow out.

    Option 2) Probability Weighted scoring:
    2 pts for correct result
    +1 pt for correctly picking an away win
    +2.5 pts for correctly picking a tie
    +0.5 for correct GD
    +0.5 for correct score
    +0.5 for correctly picking blow out.


    Option 3) the hybrid
    2 pts for correct result
    +0.5 for GD
    +0.5 for score
    +0.5 picking the away win or a tie correctly.
    +0.5 for correctly picking a blowout.

    Please feel free to post suggestions for modification as well. I especially wonder whether you think the blow out bonus should be 0 pts, 0.5 pts as I've put it, or 1 pt.

    Thanks!

    I reserve the right to ignore the majority vote if it's really close. (or declare that 99.9% of you voted me president for life, despite what the polls say ;) )

    g.
     
  2. ChuckA

    ChuckA New Member

    Apr 4, 2002
    Atlanta, GA
    Is that a "weakly scored goal?" or "weakly predicted scored goals?"
    Sorry, the smartass in me couldn't resist.
     
  3. HalaMadrid

    HalaMadrid Member

    Apr 9, 1999
    I'll make a weak prediction:

    Hat-trick for Ritchie williams in the first game of the year.
     
  4. BenC1357

    BenC1357 Member

    Feb 23, 2001
    KC
    0 points for "blowout" win
     
  5. Guinho

    Guinho Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes, bless their hearts
    Estonia
    May 27, 2001
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    O.k. we've got three posts and two votes. Hmmm.

    It's weakly predicted as in predictions that are a bit shaky. O.k., so it was kind of a lame attempt at humor. I promise, I won't do it again.

    g.
     
  6. Guinho

    Guinho Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes, bless their hearts
    Estonia
    May 27, 2001
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's a joke, son.

    I noticed he didn't vote either.

    g.
     
  7. jlo

    jlo New Member

    May 18, 2000
    Baton Rouge, LA
    I voted option 1, but I think the blowout bonus should be a full point.
     
  8. kevbrunton

    kevbrunton New Member

    Feb 27, 2001
    Edwardsburg, MI
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I voted option 1, but I could also live with option 3.

    Option 2 is just plain rediculous in my not so humble opinion :).

    But unlike jlo, I'd just as soon see the blowout bonus stay at .5.

    Also, just so I am clear on something...

    The GD and Exact Score bonuses are mutually exclusive but the blowout bonus is in addition to potentially one of the other two, correct?

    With a prediction of 4-1 win...

    4-1 earns 3.0 pts = 2.0 + 0.5 score + 0.5 blowout
    3-0 earns 3.0 pts = 2.0 + 0.5 GD + 0.5 blowout
    5-1 earns 2.5 pts = 2.0 + 0.5 blowout

    Is that what you're proposing for Option 1?

    Option 3 would be the same as above plus you'd get another half point if you predicted an away win or tie. Of course, you can't get both a tie bonus and a blowout bonus -- but you could get a away bonus and a blowout bonus.

    So max possible score on any game is 3.0 under Option 1 and 3.5 under Option 3? Right?
     
  9. BenC1357

    BenC1357 Member

    Feb 23, 2001
    KC
    guessing 4-1 would also add GD so it would be 3.5 points.
     
  10. Guinho

    Guinho Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes, bless their hearts
    Estonia
    May 27, 2001
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's correct. All points are independent, so the possibilities would be 2, 2.5, 3, or 3.5 (or 4, with a 1pt bonus). There are two ways to get 2.5 or 3 pts
    2 + 0.5 GD or
    2 + 0.5 Blowout

    2+ 0.5GD + 0.5 Score or
    2 + 0.5 GD + 0.5 Blowout

    as it stands. I would be happy going either way with the blowout bonus, so right now it's one vote apiece.
     
  11. jlo

    jlo New Member

    May 18, 2000
    Baton Rouge, LA
    Goal difference and exact score must be cumulative. Otherwise, you are negating the bonus for exact score.

    Example:

    Actual score is 3-1. I pick 2-0. I get 2 for the winner and a half point for GD, so 2.5.

    Now, if the two bonuses (GD and exact score) are exclusive, a competitor who picked the exact score would get the same 2.5 that I got, even though the competitor had a better pick.



    Finally, on the blowout: Last year the blowout bonus was exclusive of the GD bonus, but cumulative with the exact score bonus. The reasoning was that a successful blowout pick is essentially a correct GD prediction (win by 1, win by 2, win by a lot), and there's no reason to give that bonus twice.


    Edit: My post was written without the benefit of Guinho's response. Sorry for any duplication.
     

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