Weakest position in football(depth)?

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by Excape Goat, Jul 15, 2005.

  1. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    I really do not know. I am going with rightback. It does not have anyone great at the moment. Cafu and Zanetti are still among the world best, but they aint the same anymore.
     
  2. Toon³

    Toon³ Member

    Dec 27, 2002
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Goalkeepers

    When teams like Arsenal and Man u can't find someone for that position you know there is a shortage of good players..at the moment on Given and Cech, possibley Reinia could be classed as worldclass in the premiership...Buffon, Dida, Casilas maybe a couple more in europe
     
  3. Goquakesgo

    Goquakesgo New Member

    Jun 22, 2005
    San Jose
  4. SirManchester

    SirManchester Member+

    Apr 14, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Two words my friend.....

    Willy Sagnol! :D
     
  5. Ombak

    Ombak Moderator
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    Apr 19, 1999
    Irvine, CA
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    A little slip there? Left-back is very deep. Right-back however would make sense.

    As to goalkeepers, too bad for Man Utd and Arsenal, but there are plenty of very good ones out there.

    From Brazil alone (besides DIda):

    Rogerio Ceni, Marcos, Gomes, Julio Cesar
     
  6. Cassano

    Cassano Member

    Jul 16, 2004
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I also think rightback. I can name many quality leftbacks, but only a handful of rightbacks.
     
  7. The Old Lady Hertha

    The Old Lady Hertha New Member

    Dec 15, 2004
    Boston, MA
    Club:
    Hertha BSC Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    China PR
    I say RB...Great LBs right now...lemme see, Lixarazu, Lahm, Roberto Carlos, Ashley Cole, Heinze, Maldini, Kaladze, Cannavaro, Lee Pyong-Yo. thats it for me, any others?

    More great RBs IMO...lemme see, Cicinho, Paulo Ferreira, Michel Salgado? nah, not good enough, Cafu, Friedrich (almost). I'm certainly missing a lot of ppl.
     
  8. Teso Dos Bichos

    Teso Dos Bichos Red Card

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    I would go with left-winger.
     
  9. Ombak

    Ombak Moderator
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    Apr 19, 1999
    Irvine, CA
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    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    And you can name more "great" right-backs than that? If so, that's a pretty subjective "great".
     
  10. Teso Dos Bichos

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    Gary "I am God" Neville
     
  11. The Old Lady Hertha

    The Old Lady Hertha New Member

    Dec 15, 2004
    Boston, MA
    Club:
    Hertha BSC Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    China PR

    Sorry I edited my last post...took me awhile to get even a few right backs lol...

    so check my last post :)
     
  12. Ombak

    Ombak Moderator
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    Apr 19, 1999
    Irvine, CA
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Sounds like you think RB is not as deep as LB. :D
     
  13. The Old Lady Hertha

    The Old Lady Hertha New Member

    Dec 15, 2004
    Boston, MA
    Club:
    Hertha BSC Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    China PR
    Yep...which is weird, I was so sure when I first read this thread that there were more quality RBs, but I guess I was wrong.
     
  14. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    sadly, he is probably among the top 10.
     
  15. dor02

    dor02 Member

    Aug 9, 2004
    Melbourne
    Club:
    UC Sampdoria
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Wingers on both sides because they have been a dying breed. Likewise for the sweepers but this all due to the fact that modern sides don't really need these kind of players.
     
  16. astabooty

    astabooty Member

    Nov 16, 2002
    China
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You got it.
     
  17. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    I now also realize the left wing position is weak. We have many good left midfielders and attack midfielders who can play on the left, but not many the true left wingers.
     
  18. Ombak

    Ombak Moderator
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    Apr 19, 1999
    Irvine, CA
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    But few teams use real left-wingers, almost everyone uses RBs and LBs. The left-winger, right-winger best ever polls discuss this.

    Ze Roberto might be a left-winger if he played in an English club, there's no way he'd be called a left-winger in Brazil.
     
  19. The Old Lady Hertha

    The Old Lady Hertha New Member

    Dec 15, 2004
    Boston, MA
    Club:
    Hertha BSC Berlin
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    China PR
    2 names that jump out: Duff and Robben.

    Hmms..other left wingerssss...is Giuly a LW? or RW? This threads made me change my mind twice, it seemed so obvious to me at first, but alas.
     
  20. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    Right wing is a far more scarce position than left wing. Philips and Joaquin are the only young RWs I can think of.
    However, I'd still say RB is the shallowest position.
     
  21. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    As somebody said, wingers are weak because of strategy. They just don't groom wingers at the youth level. Today you have mostly defenders taking the role of attacking on the flanks. In another era, a guy like Cicinho would be a right winger. And I'd say the best 'left winger' of this era, if we mean a player who creates danger from the left flank, is probably a right fullback, Roberto Carlos.

    How about a true defensive midfielder, a classic destroyer? Does anybody think that is a weak position today? I think there are few that are really world class, and yet it is a very important position in contemporary schemes.
     
  22. Rakim_22

    Rakim_22 Member

    Manchester United
    Netherlands
    Sep 6, 2004
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    I agree defensive midfielders are very important and what would teams like Arsenal or Chelsea or AC Milan be without the defensive midfield presence or Viera (whom recently depacted much to the dismay of many), Makalele or Gatusso. I would say it is a shallow position.
     
  23. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    The defensive midfielder position has also evolved too. Yes, the game still needs a classic destroyer liked Gattuso, but many of the newer defensive midfielders play liked a cross between the playmaker and destroyer. In the older days, the defensive midfielder is not needed for the offensie as much, except a few cases liked Beckenbauer and Bozsik. In recent years, the positon has became more important. It is basically the center of the entire team. Most defensive midfielders need to hold the ball.... I guessed you can say Beckenbauer and Bozsik were early examples of modern defensive midfielders.
     
  24. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    If that is the role we want for the defensive midfielder, then I'd say the position is even weaker than if we are looking for a classic destroyer.

    Without going too far in the past to look at the players you mentioned, (like Beckembauer or Bozsic), just tell me which players today fit that role as well as a Rijkaard, a Mattaus, or a Redondo did not too long ago? Maybe Keane up to a couple of years ago, but anybody today?
     

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