We need to talk about Vermes with poll

I think we all knew it was a problem, but the data shows just how bad it is. PV isn't worried about losing leads, so I'm sure he isn't worried about this stat either.

 

How can fans stage an intervention with the owners and help break them of their PV habit? Or do they need some more education on the sunk cost fallacy?

 

Wow...finally someone quasi telling it like it is.

Hate to beat a dead horse, but 3 years of 1.2 PPG. How does this never get brought up by media? If you want to talk you are what you are, well that's Peter's SKC for 3 consecutive seasons.

 

Would love to hear someone ask him about that quote from Doyle at tonight's press event.

 

An accurate description of the team from ESPN's MLS Power Rankings this week:

20. Sporting Kansas City
Previous ranking: 21

Sporting lost at home. Again. After conceding late. Again. This time Houston got the best of them and it led to Peter Vermes questioning some of his players' "mentality" after the game. Of course, it's Vermes who chose these players with the supposed flawed mentality. He also chose the players who struggle to keep up with the pace of the league. And who have been losing a lot for three years running now.

#VermesOut #Toolbox?

 

https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/stoc...thquakes-show-life-sporting-kc-need-new-blood
Pretty fair assessment of the squad and situation though I wish he had been more directly critical of PV. "Mentality", "average age", "depth and quality", these are a job of the manager and the 'kid gloves' need to come off when the press deals with him.

 

It's still early in the season and I think that most of the fans I see are not confident the team will see much success this season. We never seem to know what ownership thinks about the health of the franchise. Due to the late winning run of form last fall and the double drubbing of St Louis FC in the playoffs, they must seem sure that PV can drag this team above the red line prior to the end of the season. I'm not very confident it will happen. And if it doesn't happen, PV will still hold on to his job. Will it take a loss of the locker room like it did when Curt Onalfo was fired? When that happened, the Wizards had just lost to Dallas 6-0, were 5-7-6, and winless in their last 4. SKC currently are winless in their last 6 and are 2-5-5. Of course, Onalfo never really established the winning record and accomplishments of PV. But when a manager loses the locker room, he has got to go. The kind of finger pointing that went on after the loss to Houston can cause a lot of division among the players. I hope it doesn't happen. We will find out this weekend and beyond how the players respond. If they turn away, PV will be in trouble.

 

Was the same thing last year, I was ready for PV to go, but he wasn't going until/unless he lost the lockerroom. That stance was backed up when the Star article about their ranch trip came out. I believe the same here, PV isn't going anywhere unless he loses the lockerroom.

 

This week in coaching moves.....

Nashville, a team with much more recent success than our club, fired Gary Smith, making him available (no thanks).

Through all the #FireVermes talk, I kept hoping Jesse Marsh would remain available and somehow land here. The Canadian soccer federation ended that hope.

With Jesse gone, I don't even know who to hope for anymore. Vermes remains inevitable.

 

I don't know if Benny is ready for a chance at an MLS team, but he seems to be doing a good job with the SKC 2 guys. And then there is Zavagnin. He's been sitting on the seat next to PV for 14 years. Is he just waiting for PV to retire so he can get a shot at SKC?

 

At this point I'd be concerned about anyone on the senior staff, Zavagnin's name used to always get brought up in head coaching searches but has dropped off to basically nothing at this point. Savic, yeah let's not even go there.

The last new staff member added to the game day technical staff was our GK coach Dufty, who joined the 1st team (from SKCII) in 2017.

The entire first team technical staff is too stale/comfortable at this point.

 

I agree but hope that maybe one or two have been happy to quietly work and gain exp. and then would thrive if PV was gone and they were given a chance. Having followed the Royals ups and downs since 1975, I can handle the SKC ups and downs. To me that is better than this lack of any real, lasting progress under PV.

 

Still not sure the team has quit on him, but it’s time.

 

When it does happen ownership needs to listen.

 

The first 30 minutes last night was fun. After that it was boring. Shocking to see the difference in speed and energy when the old guard enters. The stadium was as quiet and uninterested as I have ever heard and seen it for a league game. PV’s comments that he had to sub out the young players because he knew they couldn’t go 90 was so ironic. Whose fault is that? I agree with mschofield, everything about PV has gone stale. Explain why Salloi is captain? If I was JR I would have been pissed. Did that start the season off on a sour note for some in the locker room?

#VermesOut

 

People on reddit still defend PV and say its Bliss' fault or its the player's fault. But the totality that you have outlined here is why the buck stops with PV for all of it.

 

If they clean house at this point in the season, I don’t know how they continue to function. PV, KZ, ZS along with Bliss can all go right now, but who runs the show then? If just PV goes, then KZ takes them to the end of the season, then he goes? It just sounds like it would get worse than what is happening now.

 

If we had a DOS then you fire PV & Bliss, KZ /BF probably takes over. In our current situation, you fire PV, Bliss stays on as TD at least until a DOS is hired and KZ/BF take over. There won’t be a top down staff clean out until after a DOS is hired. Then you hire a coach and he maybe moves on from KZ, ZS, etc.

 

Excellent article by one of our own.

https://kcsoccerjournal.com/opinion-thank-you-peter-but-its-time-to-go-sporting-kc/05/30/2024/

Who inspired you to look at PPG since 2022?