We don't talk enough about the Beach Boys

Discussion in 'Movies, TV and Music' started by Ted Cikowski, Aug 25, 2002.

  1. Ted Cikowski

    Ted Cikowski Red Card

    May 31, 2000
    Afterall, weren't they one of the greatest bands ever?

    here's my top 10:

    1) She Knows Me Too Well
    2) That's Not Me
    3) Don't Worry Baby
    4) God Only Knows
    5) Hang on to yor Ego
    6) Please Let Me Wonder
    7) Don't Back Down
    8) I Do
    9) Kiss Me Baby
    10) Caroline, No


    Nobody can top this list.
     
  2. obie

    obie New Member

    Nov 18, 1998
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    I'm just surprised that you don't consider them some sort of ripoff.

    The Beach Boys were not a great band as much as Brian Wilson was a great songwriter and arranger. Take Brian out of the equation and they're nothing. Mike Love should be tried, convicted, and executed for continuing to call his traveling sideshow "The Beach Boys".
     
  3. supersport

    supersport New Member

    Oct 17, 2001
    San Francisco
    When one of them dies, I'm sure we will be talking about them.
     
  4. Ted Cikowski

    Ted Cikowski Red Card

    May 31, 2000
    well they did borrow a bit from Chuck Berry but anyway I only call actual bands that rip other bands off a rip off band.

    What you people who mock me can't seem to grasp, is that there are lots of bands that are not merely influenced by other bands but downright copy them....many even copying thier haircuts and clothes. Yet some people on bigsoccer eat it up. It's not a crime, but for some reason I've been villified for pointing it out.


    And the Beach Boys WERE a great BAND. why? Because of the vocal harmonies....Mike Love and Al Jardine's voices were as imporant as Brian Wilson's songwriting.

    And you want to talk about a rip off band? Try checking out the High Llamas. But I'm sure someoen will defend them by saying that "nothing is original, everyone has influences".

    It's funny because often times the same people who rip Puff Daddy or Oasis for being unoriginal are the same people who listen to the Strokes or Pavement.
     
  5. obie

    obie New Member

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    I can't speak for others here, but the issue for me is that that's all you ever say, and to you it's a fatal flaw. It's not news, and it doesn't automatically make the band suck. "The Strokes are a ripoff band" says nothing that 90% of the people here don't already know. Most people here know it and don't care because it still sounds good.

    If you once, just once, said that some act sounded kinda like somebody else but it's still good music, you'd get a lot less trouble for it.
     
  6. Footix

    Footix Member

    Dec 11, 1998
    Left Of The Dial
    John Stamos is the most pure and original drummer ever.

    Jan & Dean were rip-off poseurs.

    Steve Miller totally stole Brian Wilson's "chubby guy with mop top" look.

    Ben Lee sings about the beach sometimes...and we all know where that schtick originated from....what a copycat.
     
  7. bmurphyfl

    bmurphyfl Member

    Jun 10, 2000
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    As a Pavement fan, I agree that they were heavily influenced by The Fall; particularly the early stuff. And the Olivia Tremor Control (along with most of Elephant 6) were constantly trying to replicate the magic of Pet Sounds.

    But I see a distinction between ripping someone off and being influenced by them. If the band openly admits to the influence and tries to push the sound artistically in a new direction, then I don't have a problem with it. Pavement even introduces their cover of "The Classical" as "an old family favorite". And OTC gushes with praise everytime an interviewer brings up Brian Wilson.

    It is only an annoyance when a band tries to pretend that they created the sound and are doing nothing new with it. I would put The Delta 72 in this category (with regars to the Jon Spencer Blues Explosion).

    Murf
     
  8. 655321

    655321 New Member

    Jul 21, 2002
    The Mission, SF
    The Beach Boys were a great band, and Brian Wilson is undoubtedly a genius. But Mike Love is one of the squarest individuals EVER (he donated money to Tipper Gore when she started up the PMRC). The Beach Boys were vital for about 6 years, and have a been complete joke ever since then.

    I did see them perform after a Tulsa Roughnecks game in the early '80s once.
     
  9. hangthadj

    hangthadj Member+

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    Mar 27, 2001
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    I saw them perform after a temple football game with my gfather in the early 80's also. After the game we went home and i tried to watch tv, he made me turn it off and put his Pet Sounds record on and drank a beer. the fake beach boys gotta go.
    I'd also like to thank Ted for putting me in the mood to hear Pavement now.
     
  10. Ian Lozada

    Ian Lozada New Member

    May 29, 2001
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    My Top 10 Beach Boys songs:

    10) Shut Down
    9) I Get Around
    8) Barbara Ann
    7) Fun, Fun, Fun
    6) Help Me, Rhonda
    5) California Girls
    4) God Only Knows
    3) Good Vibrations
    2) 409
    1) Wouldn't It Be Nice

    Also loved their covers of "Come And Go With Me" and "California Dreamin'".
     
  11. Ted Cikowski

    Ted Cikowski Red Card

    May 31, 2000

    actually it's just you and footix who keep complaining about it. Are the Strokes catchy? Yes. Too bad they rely on someone elses songs to attain the "catchiness".


    There is a lot of orginal and creative music out there. But people here prefer to ignore it and listen to Interpol and Pavement.

    that's my problem with this forum.

    By the way, to the Pavement fans, the Fall are pretty pissed off by Pavements tunes, it's not pushing anything in a new direction. They are to indie what Oasis is to top 40.


    Beach Boys...I agree, they were important for about 6 years. Note that my top 10 are all from that time period.
     
  12. Stogey23

    Stogey23 Member+

    Dec 12, 1998
    San Diego, CA
    Ted, you are an angry and bitter man.


    The Beach Boys totally ripped off Sugar Ray though...
     
  13. metrocorazon

    metrocorazon Member

    May 14, 2000
    The Beach Boy's best song was "WIPEOUT" with The FAT Boys.

    Also once Uncle Jesse joined the band, thats when I stopped listening.
     
  14. Footix

    Footix Member

    Dec 11, 1998
    Left Of The Dial

    Yeah, there's one whole guy on this board who claims he likes the Interpol disc (Eneste, I think...).

    You sure post a lot for someone with a problem with this forum. But I hope you keep it up. When I see your name attached to a thread, I know I'm in for a treat.

    Keep fightin' those windmills, Don Quixote.
     
  15. bmurphyfl

    bmurphyfl Member

    Jun 10, 2000
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    The angiest thing I've ever seen from Mark E. Smith is when he was talking about Pavement copying The Fall's sloppy guitar sound. He said that The Fall sounded like that because they were really bad musicians but Pavement was good musicians trying to sound like crap. Besides, Mark E. Smith is an angry man in general.

    As for not progressing musically, do you really not hear a difference between "Forklift"[early], "Father To a Sister of Thought"[middle] and "Speak, See, Remember"[late]? Only the early stuff was similar to The Fall. The rest was a progression.

    Murf
     
  16. Cweedchop

    Cweedchop Member+

    Mar 6, 2000
    Ellicott City, Md

    It's all downhill after Don't Worry Baby..

    If you can't get laid playing that song for your woman, you are less than a man..


    Frank Black does an awesome cover of Hang on to your Ego....
     
  17. Ted Cikowski

    Ted Cikowski Red Card

    May 31, 2000
    actually Mark E Smith has said a lot of bad stuff about Pavement. And since even Pavements own fans admit they went downhill with each album after "S and E", I'd say thier entire career can be summed up as 1 Fall rip off and a few mediocre albums.



    Footix, thanks for the compliment. I listen to the innovators, you listen to the people who imitate them. That's why you tried to get the same haircut as me and tried to get a girlfriend who looks like mine, but again you had to settle for the cheap imitation.



    The Beach Boys.....better than Debarge, Positive K and any other band that footix likes.
     
  18. Chowderhead

    Chowderhead Member

    Aug 3, 1999
    Central Falls, RI
    I caught Brian's solo gig a week and a half ago in Boston. Amazing.

    He opened with a vocal medley. "You're Welcome", "Wonderful", and "Cabinessence". Then right into the timeless opening of "California Girls".

    Ten tunes to consider:

    1) Cool, Cool Water
    2) Surf's Up
    3) Til I Die
    4) Feel Flows ( a Carl tune )
    5) The Lonely Sea ( co-written with Gary Usher)
    6) Don't Talk Put Your Head on My Shoulder
    7) Good Timin'
    8) Funky Pretty
    9) In the Back of My Mind
    10) Kiss Me, Baby

    Heck, All Summer Long (not quite as happy as many think; there are some rather melancholy "end of summer" harmonies in the background), Our Prayer, Heroes and Villains.

    And Dennis, by the 70s, emerged as a real creative force.

    Mike, though a bit of a bastard, made Brian's visions accessible. He was also a pretty good front man. He is an opportunist and a bit of a dink at times, but he has always been healthy and hardworking.

    Carl was a great musician. He could be as tyranical and demanding as Brian.

    Al went about his business.
     
  19. Soccer-Six-Shooter

    Soccer-Six-Shooter New Member

    Jan 17, 2002
    Arlington, VA
    I always liked Sloop John B and Surfer Girl. Kokomo being the latest hit like ten years ago.

    You must check out the Beach Boys live. Its two albums combined from two live shows. I have it and its a good listen with a few beers. They do a cover of Monster Mash and Graduation Day is cool too.
     
  20. hangthadj

    hangthadj Member+

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    I'd really be curious to see these supposed angry quotes that smith has towards Pavement. As far as them going down each album, I definately think Terror Twilight was better than Brighten the Corners, and that Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain is actually their best one but that's just me.
     
  21. Ted Cikowski

    Ted Cikowski Red Card

    May 31, 2000
    HangThaDj, I posted them in the "Pavement are a rip off band" thread before Bigsoccer crashed, i thought you had read that thread anyway. You might like Pavement, that is fine. You can not claim they are original or innovative though, I think Malkmus will be the first to tell you that. Mark E Smith baiscally called Pavement a Fall cover band, and Malkmus even said the same thing. By the way, most people stop listening to Pavement once they turn 21. Just a little tip.
     
  22. sanariot

    sanariot Member

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    That's also about the same age that people usually give up the "arbiter of musical taste" schtick, FYI. ;)
     
  23. hangthadj

    hangthadj Member+

    A.S. Roma
    Mar 27, 2001
    Beacon, NY
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    Ted, I haven't said here at all that pavement were original. It really doesn't concern me whether they are original or not, or if they stiole The Fall's clothes or not. I was just looking for some Mark E Smith quotes to laugh at of him trashing Pavement.
    It's okay, not many people have Sade, Pavement, and Philip Glass in a shuffle play in their stereo at my age either. I happen to still be puttin food on the table, and have an atttractive girlfriend. But, maybe I'll take your last tip to heart and see if it improves my life anyway.
     

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