We are stacked at midfield - who should we convert to defender?

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by Rozzy, Jun 27, 2010.

  1. Rozzy

    Rozzy New Member

    Dec 13, 2009
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    I don't know about the rest of the world, but in the US, the best young players play Forward, Center Mid, or Wing. Often one great player will be made sweeper so that the coach can play weaker players at Fullback. Unfortunately, this system is blame for our lack of quality defense. Some players think it's an an insult to be put on the back line and probably don't take the time to embrace the role.

    A quality Sweeper projects more as a defensive mid at a higher level. "Stopper" centerbacks are a reasonable equivalent of a centerback, but they often are put their based on their physical presence and don't develop strong ball skills. Fullbacks don't learn anything but marking, clearing, and maybe some short passing. They don't learn to attack, and they often don't have great pace. They don't need it because the sweeper has their back.

    The solution is to convert Forwards and Mids to defense early. They did it with Spector and Bornstein with mixed results. We need to do it more and we need to do it earlier. Should we convert Edu to CB NOW when he has time to learn the position. He has the physical tools, but it may be too late at this point.

    I don't know the U-23s and young MLS players very well. I know some of the names and what others have said about them, but I haven't seen them play. Are there any young and talented midfielders (or forwards) that could be converted to defender successfully?
     
  2. aarond23

    aarond23 Member+

    Feb 24, 2006
    Indianapolis
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Half of BS has Edu starting at Center back for EVERY GAME so there is your answer :)

    I have a wild idea of seeing Convey at left back....
     
  3. Rozzy

    Rozzy New Member

    Dec 13, 2009
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    If Edu committed to being a CB and learning that position, it might work, but he would need to play it on the club level and embrace it as a full time gig. I think after a full season at it , he would be a quality CB. You just can't plug him in there and expect him to be Gallas in his prim.

    I've never heard Convey mentioned as a left back...perhaps it's worth exploring.
     
  4. Peretz48

    Peretz48 Member+

    Nov 9, 2003
    Los Angeles
    The conversion to back should happen much earlier in a player's career. I can't prove it, but I honestly believe that much of Bornstein's inconsistency at LB is because he did not start playing there until after his college career. Over many years players develop instincts at their respective positions. I suspect that because his LB instincts are not hardwired in him, he sometimes over-commits, or otherwise finds himself out of position.
     
  5. El_Equpiodetodos

    El_Equpiodetodos New Member

    Jun 21, 2009
    we should put DB back there.....o wait oops......Bradley is such a ************ up....
    correction* was such a ***** up
     
  6. clashcityrocker

    Mar 12, 1999
    In the shadow of RFK
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Who is this 'we' we keep talking about? 'Cause as I see it, I have little to no influence over whether Rangers makes Edu play a position entirely different from what they brought him over to play, and neither do you, and that's the only 'we' in the room.
     
  7. MrHobbles

    MrHobbles Member

    Jul 14, 2008
    Linden and San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Edu to CB? No thanks, he had a strong WC as DM and a good season would set him on his way to becoming #1 choice at that spot. I wouldn't want to play any of our players in a position they do not play at the club level.

    However, Bobby Convey at left back is an interesting idea. He's played there in MLS and done a good job. The only problem I can see is that he isn't that fast.
     
  8. Mutiny RIP

    Mutiny RIP Member

    Apr 15, 2006
    Bradenton, FL
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Holden at right back. He's pretty quick; has very good stamina; usually defends with tenacity; and is arguably the best crosser of the ball on the team.

    Cherundolo will be too old by '14, and Spector seems out of form. Meanwhile, Holden, one of our most talented players has been relegated to the bench, which seems like a complete waste of talent. Thoughts?
     
  9. RedBaron

    RedBaron Member

    Sep 9, 2001
    Pennsylvania
    Club:
    ACF Fiorentina
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    An equally good question would be who can we convert from midfield to forward?
     
  10. Mutiny RIP

    Mutiny RIP Member

    Apr 15, 2006
    Bradenton, FL
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To answer your question about who to convert to striker

    Deuce, who has experience at Fulham playing as a single striker in a 4-5-1 formation.

    In another thread, I proposed this 4-2-3-1 formation.

    GK

    Dolo--Boca--JD--JB

    Edu--Bradley
    Holden---Feilhaber--LD
    Deuce

    Deuce has better touch, finishing ability, and instincts than any of our strikers. I feel that formation above would have produced more goals for us at this tournament.
     
  11. mette72

    mette72 Member

    Sep 29, 2000
    Free America
    If the US is still playing Bobby Convey ANYWHERE on the field, we are screwed.....

    :eek:
     
  12. kjksccr

    kjksccr Member

    Feb 25, 1999
    San Carlos, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I like that. You could even put Holden on there for Edu or Bradley and put Torres in the offensive mid spot. That is pretty much how Holland plays.
     
  13. Sevin

    Sevin Member

    May 24, 2001
    U.S.
    If we get a new coach, the chances are pretty slim of seeing an Edu/Bradley pairing in the center of the midfield. If we keep Bob, yes but you'd have to hire someone with a similar philosophy to get that kind of combo and I can't imagine them going through the selection process and coming to that decision.
     
  14. Evrababy

    Evrababy Member

    Apr 6, 2005
    Eugene OR
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I've been wondering about that possibility for a long time now. I would love to think that we could have a right back as capable with the ball as Holden...
     
  15. Sevin

    Sevin Member

    May 24, 2001
    U.S.
    Holden has natural vision that few players on our team have, why would you put him in the back? The kid's a piano player not a drummer.
     
  16. eainterplay

    eainterplay Member

    May 11, 2008
    Alabama
    Club:
    Rangers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He played as a RB for the Dynamo for a couple of games about 2 years ago...it worked but it wasn't as pretty as one would have expected.
     
  17. pirozhok

    pirozhok Member+

    United States
    Jul 20, 2007
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We haven't stacked anywhere, not even at the goalie position.
     
  18. El Michael

    El Michael Member

    Dec 17, 2009
    Club:
    DC United
    Regarding Edu... I wish he would leave Glasglow and move to better league. If he could get time in the EPL and play against better competion I think he could raise his game to a whole new level.
     
  19. Lascho

    Lascho Member+

    Sep 1, 2008
    Hannover, Germany
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    At other places in the rest of the world, the players are happy to be at a pro academy, get first class training, and a chance of a future pro career. No serious academy kid would tell his coach where it doesn't want to play, or they could go home.

    The solution here is that they get used to play different positions. A good soccer teacher will play a boy at different positions, even if he has a pretty good idea what the boy can become, but it helps to understand the roles of your team mates, and playing at different positions improves the vision. You will get a better understanding of what the others will do, if you've played at their positions for some time; and, of course, you will develop a more rounded game.

    But the answer to the question of this thread is - probably none. A NT coach can't convert a player to a new position he never plays at his club.
     
  20. pwk1868

    pwk1868 Member

    Aug 29, 2008
    Chicago
    I guess Dunga kind of did that with Bastos, but then again he is an extremely talented player, on an extremely talented team. Im not sure if any player on the US could make that change so smoothly giving the different situations.

    In regards to the midfield. I'd like to see a midfield 3 including Bradley, Edu, and one of Benny or Torres. It seems the US played the best when Bradley, Edu, and Benny were on the field, why not continue that and see if it works over an extended stretch of games
     
  21. Lascho

    Lascho Member+

    Sep 1, 2008
    Hannover, Germany
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    I think one could also argue that Brazil are playing rather a back-3, and he's a wingback for his country; not that different from his midfield role in France. Dunga doesn't want him to play like Bocanegra.
     
  22. CrazyF.C.

    CrazyF.C. New Member

    Jun 15, 2001
    Washington D.C.
    We'll be fine at forward. Jozy and CD will be in their primes. Add a few up and comers for bench support and we're golden. Defense is our biggest concern. Gooch may still be able to go at 32, but Boca and Dolo are out.
     
  23. CBusCrew12

    CBusCrew12 Member

    Apr 19, 2005
    Ohio, USA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would like to see Robbie Rogers give LB a shot. His shooting and crossing hasn't gotten any better, but his defense has.
     
  24. Boian

    Boian Member

    Mar 28, 2004
    Portland
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Since most of the team transition to the 1 striker game, surrounded by a 1-3 offense mids, I guess the game with classic LB and RB is obsolete. See Brasil, who plays Bastos and Maicon, who are more midfielders than defenders. Cherundolo adapted great to the job of being an unconventional RB, due to his great ball skills.
     
  25. Tonerl

    Tonerl Member+

    Arsenal
    May 10, 2006
    Cincinnati, OH
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The pool continues to scream 4-3-3/4-3-2-1/4-1-4-1/et cetera.

    The problem this cycle was that we tried a lame-o version of a 4-3-3, in which we tried to get width from midfield instead of the, you know, wings :rolleyes: (among several other ridiculous issues) at CR and got killed. From that point, Bob decided it must be an inferior formation.
     

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