PBP: WCQ: Finland vs. Germany [R]

Do you mean Pasanen is a bad player?
If so you have no clue of football.

 

Yeah, Pasanen is actually one of Finland's better players. There's nothing wrong with him playing CB, either, since it's been his preferred position for the vast majority of his career, even if he usually plays RB these days (and would have played there yesterday had Hannu Tihinen been healthy).

Oh, and he outplayed Hyypiä yesterday IMHO.

 

he might have been, but it wouldnt have been clear before the game to go as far as dropping fritz

 

Why not? You keep making vague suggestions, but not backing anything up.

Hinkel is a past German international. He only got dropped because he made a bad move to Sevilla.

I'd f#cking bet money that he's better than Fritz.

 

I saw that last night. Before he responded, Löw looked like he wanted to hit Kerner. LOL!!

 

Totally agree with this comment.

 

because they're made on vague observations...but i'll try here to

He is a past german international who hasnt been in the team for a good while so unlike dropping hitzlsperger and moving pig to the centre, Loew isn't as sure about what hinkel can contribute in place of fritz.

 

Again, Hinkel was only dropped because he made a bad move to Sevilla. Hinkel didn't lose any of his talent, Hinkel was penalized for playing behind the man who many feel is the top right back in the world in Daniel Alves.

If Löw would do his f#cking job and go watch Hinkel play for Celtic, he'd know what Hinkel can do.

Then again, I'm sure Löw at least watched tapes of Hinkel playing and called him up.

But we saw in Löw's selection for the Euro 2008 Tournament, he doesn't have any courage in selecting his lineup.

Only afterwards did he see he made a mistake in not taking at least Jones and Helmes. I don't include Marin there because you can see from Trochowski's play now that he deserved to be there.

Löw just didn't have the f#cking balls to use him!

Unlike you, I will not be vague.

I'll tell you right now what disturbs me about Joachim Löw. He reminds me too much of Vogts and Ribbeck. He doesn't seem to have the courage to make changes and bring in necessary players because he's afraid of what the media will do to him if he loses a match while trying to integrate new players in. And like Vogts and Ribbeck, Löw seems to only give chances to the players the press calls for.

I think this is the case with Tasci. Why hasn't Löw tried Hummels or Hoewedes or even mentioned their names??

In my opinion, it's because the press called for Tasci. Yeah, I know I'm pissing off Stuttgart fans, but I don't f#cking care. From what I've seen of him so far, while he is a good player, Tasci is still mostly "potential" and not "finished product."

And it showed last night.

This is why I don't fully blame Westermann for last night. How much of it was Westermann's support not being where it needed to be??

I think that was the case on the second one and I blame Tasci more for the third.

But even with some of the press this morning, Tasci got a bit of a break because of his age.

I think that's f#cking bullshit. If you put the shirt on, you need to be able to perform to standard no matter how old you are.

But again, if Löw is doing his job and actually taking an unbiased look at these players instead of possibly being influenced by the press, he would have known that Tasci isn't quite ready and he would definitely f#cking know what Andreas Hinkel can do.

I think Löw has to know Hinkel is better than Fritz. Fritz is just one of "Löw's Guys" and I don't think Löw had any real intention of starting Hinkel last night.

I think he called up Hinkel because the German press called his name some weeks ago......

Don't get me wrong. I'm not calling for Löw's head. No way. However, Löw does need to grow some balls and do his own thing. It's like he's afraid of pissing off the German press.

One of the things I admired about Klinsmann was that he didn't care who he pissed off. He was going to do his thing and he was confident it was going to work.

And it did. Löw seems to be afraid of where he steps. And if he doesn't watch it, he's going to lose control. He won't even know it. Just like Vogts didn't and Ribbeck did, but tried to do the job anyhow.

Some of you will think I'm nuts. Fine. But that's how I feel.

 

You should become coach . My only doubt was that Hinkel after being out so long might not be able to contribute against Finland more than Fritz, but then again he has to start with one match and do better the next doesn't he. It's not the best thing to put him out there first time against Russia. Very good analysis and I have to say it all makes sense, even with my limited exposure to the scene in Germany and Europe these days.

 

"You must spread reputation around before giving it to footyfan1 again."

I agree 100% on all points ff1. Very well said.

 

just did it for both of us!

 

What part of NY are you in squid?

 

morrisville...1 hour east of syracuse

 

In this particular instance I think it was easier to keep him in than drop him despite what the press said, because he is after all Miroslav Klose. Loew has insurance either way - if he fails he can just point to his past record. It's not a "risk" like many moves Klinsmann made or the other moves Loew could have made.

 

Thats cool, my family has a summer cottage in Wanakena(about 130miles north of morrisville).

 

My wife and I have a summer place on Sandy Pond between Syracus and Watertown!!

 

My best friend and I are going on a 2-week roadtrip up the east coast ending in Wanakena next summer. Never been to Sandy Pond, is it nice?

 

it's a little bit surreal living in a tiny town, where if you travel out of you see other small towns and a lot of amazing countryside. I've been a city guy all my life. "Ironic" that I had to come to america to experience living in the countryside.

Wanakena must be on the border then?

which way do you have to go from syracuse to get to watertown?

 

Its very near the border with Canada.

North on I-81.

 

Summers are beautiful. Off of Lake Ontario with white sandy beaches, warm water...great for boating, tubing and water skiing jet skiing or just hanging out and relaxing with a terrific view! It is so peaceful. My mother in law's place is right on the water, we are are across the street but have a great view of sunsets on the water from our deck.

I-81 North. When you landed in Syracuse, you would go in the opposit direction. The exit is in the town of Pulaski.


let's get this back on topic...Sabastian Kehl? Anyone??

 

of course...once he stays healthier for a little longer.

 

What about Mats Hummels or Hoewedes? Either one of them would be an improvement over Tasci IMHO.