Pre-match: (WC - Semi-Final) Germany Vs Brazil July 8

Discussion in 'Germany: National Teams' started by Lahmfan, Jul 4, 2014.

  1. Vlad S.

    Vlad S. Member+

    May 6, 2013
    NYC
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Some men just want to watch the world burn. Mucho pride indeed.
     
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  2. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    He's a hater. Everybody knows it. Dont even bother.
     
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  3. Lahmfan

    Lahmfan Member+

    Jun 3, 2007
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Seriously
     
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  4. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
  5. LoewenBoy

    LoewenBoy Member+

    Aug 25, 2004
    Giesing, Muenchen
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Sint Maarten
    So we should simply forgive his poor tatics because we made the final. All of a sudden the critique is not valid simply because he made the final? This detractors have given him credit for making the final BUT he didn't do it using his dumbass 4-3-3 now, did he? He did it by sticking to the original team tactics -- which many of us had been asking him to do all along!

    That's not pride, mate. That's giving credit where due but pointing out he got their the hard way and ended being successful using the very tactics and formations we were advocating.

    We should be happy he got their inspite of himself. ;)
     
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  6. benztown

    benztown Member+

    Jun 24, 2005
    Club:
    VfB Stuttgart
    I'd say that as long as he wins, the tactics worked out.
     
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  7. LoewenBoy

    LoewenBoy Member+

    Aug 25, 2004
    Giesing, Muenchen
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Sint Maarten
    Right. But the 4-3-3 were the tactics he was advocating all along.

    We were advocating using the 4-2-3-1 and using players in their correct positions...which is what he ended up doing and won.

    So why should those who were telling him all along to use those tactics to be more successful apologise when we were right all along? Seriously.
     
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  8. Lahmfan

    Lahmfan Member+

    Jun 3, 2007
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Right because we wouldn't know what would have happened if he tried a different tactics in those games. But doesn't really matter tho. As I said in the beginning, if we win the world cup back to back you will still see people complaining..meh don't care
     
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  9. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    So, 24 hours ago, the match was already 5-0. This sucks!!!!
     
  10. benztown

    benztown Member+

    Jun 24, 2005
    Club:
    VfB Stuttgart
    We didn't know what would have happened. Apparently Löw wasn't happy with the fitness of Schweinsteiger and Khedira, so he changed the system and it got us to where we are. Can't see a fault in that.
     
  11. Lahmfan

    Lahmfan Member+

    Jun 3, 2007
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Lol that's what I said to my coworkers
     
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  12. LoewenBoy

    LoewenBoy Member+

    Aug 25, 2004
    Giesing, Muenchen
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Sint Maarten
    Nor can...other than that is what many of us were saying all along. ;)

    Glad he listened.
     
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  13. Lahmfan

    Lahmfan Member+

    Jun 3, 2007
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    yeah he came to bigsoccer and saw the thread
     
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  14. LoewenBoy

    LoewenBoy Member+

    Aug 25, 2004
    Giesing, Muenchen
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Sint Maarten
    I think he follows SirMan on Tiwtter. That's where he got it. ;)
     
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  15. Vlad S.

    Vlad S. Member+

    May 6, 2013
    NYC
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Correction: 4-3-3 is the tactics he SAID he was advocating. Remained flexible all along despite appearing anything but, and turned on the show when it truly mattered.

    Don't blame me for your own shortsightedness. I've been saying this all along but only few sided with me. He hid his cards well - you were one of millions who couldn't tell. Your pride won't save you from this realization.
     
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  16. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
  17. LoewenBoy

    LoewenBoy Member+

    Aug 25, 2004
    Giesing, Muenchen
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Sint Maarten
    Ah, right....

    Go back and look at the games. He stuck with the 4-3-3 until he realized it was working. Then he changed up. The fact is the 4-4-3 did not work since the Portugal match. When Germany was successful it was because he went back to the 4-2-3-1 or 4-1-4-1.

    You are inferring he switched back as part of hist tactics. We will never know for sure, will we? I am sure he will take credit of it regardless. But even that does not matter. The fact is that the 4-3-3 was unsucessful (except against Portugal) and the 4-2-3-1 was. So I don't see how those of use advocating it were in any way wrong.

    As far as pride is concerned, we gave him credit for the win. The irony is it was with the formation many had been advocating all along. Doesn't matter if it was "his plan" or not, it proved that the 4-2-3-1 was a better formation for this team than 4-3-3. Done.
     
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  18. benztown

    benztown Member+

    Jun 24, 2005
    Club:
    VfB Stuttgart
    But the 4-3-3 got us to the quarter finals, so obviously it was successful.

    And we don't know how fit Khedira and Schweinsteiger were till then, so who knows if there even was the possibility to play a 4-2-3-1 with them?

    Anyway, that's how Löw plays now and again, it has worked fine so far.
    So it's all good. I can't see anything wrong with Löw's decisions up to this point.
     
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  19. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    FACT check

    Schweini and Khedira not at 100%
    --see Schweini after 30 mins vs Ghana, see Khedira after Algeria

    after two weeks into the tourney: France game
    -- can afford to field both players in CM
     
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  20. Raumdeuter

    Raumdeuter Member+

    Jan 14, 2009
    Texas
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    How could he have played 4-2-3-1 when both Schweini and Khedira were injured and not fit.

    Low: 4-1 vs England, 4-0 vs Argentina, 4-0 vs Portugal, 7-1 vs Brazil (In 2 world cups)

    Ok I agree he is shit
     
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  21. P to the Wee

    P to the Wee Red Card

    Nov 22, 2011
    Susan is a Little Lamb
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    May as well add one more to that list. We just don't know if Argentina want to get fücked again or if Holland want to give it a go.
     
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  22. LoewenBoy

    LoewenBoy Member+

    Aug 25, 2004
    Giesing, Muenchen
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Sint Maarten
    You are missing the point.

    The 4-3-3 was successful against Portugal. It was less so against Ghana and the US. Against Algeria and France it did not work, so Loew went to the 4-2-3-1 and flexed in to the 4-1-4-1.

    It just would have been nice to have less of a nail-biting advance against Ghana, US and Algeria using anything other than the 4-3-3.
     
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  23. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
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  24. Lahmfan

    Lahmfan Member+

    Jun 3, 2007
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany

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