WC Qatar 2022 - The Cup of Shame

Discussion in 'Germany: National Teams' started by Dage, Oct 25, 2022.

  1. Shwass5555

    Shwass5555 Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Nov 21, 2022

    Per would be a great option for the academies part of the job I believe, he turned Arsenal around after years of producing very little.

    Sammer as mentioned ruled himself out, but he is happy to be involved as an adviser.

    Bobic does have a fair bit of experience hence why he is the favorite

    Matthäus is a name thrown out there by the media here and I doubt he is a serious option.

    Ballack is again just media talk for now.

    We need someone with a strong personality that doesnt shy away from confrontation needed to counter the softer approach by Flick. Hence why names like Ballack and Matthäus are thrown out there.

    A name that i have yet to see thrown out there is Völler. A lot of experience and someone who would challenge the players and Flick.
     
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  2. BVBFNM

    BVBFNM Member+

    Apr 3, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Völler seems very happy running things behind the scenes at Leverkusen, so I don't think he'd be interested.
     
  3. Shwass5555

    Shwass5555 Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Nov 21, 2022
    He finished up end of last season, unless you meant he is still running the show even after his "retirement" .
     
  4. poorvi

    poorvi Member+

    Feb 5, 2006
    Bombay
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Germany have won just 4 of the 12 games played in 2022.
    Second worst performance of all time, in a given calendar year.
    The worst was 4 wins of 13 in 2018.
     
  5. Shwass5555

    Shwass5555 Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Nov 21, 2022

    Not defending that record but means very little in a year there was no qualification games and a major tournament we got knocked out in the first round.

    England only won 5 games (2 games before the world cup and 3 at the world cup against Iran wales and half the Senegalese team) Hopefully they get knocked out against France so they remain at 5.

    France only won 3 before the world cup.

    I think it shows how meaningless the Nations League as a competition and how little the bigger teams cared about it this year
     
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  6. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    shows how everyone hates Germany, lol


    mostly out of fear, jealousy and results.
     
  7. Aderthan

    Aderthan Member+

    Schwarz weiss essen
    Germany
    Nov 17, 2020
    German hater community should build a gigantic Flick's statue as he's the real mastermind of German's demise at this WC.
     
  8. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    the worst hater honestly are ones who constantly calls Germany Nazis and/or still bitter about WWII. I recall entire time growing up most haters were based on Politics-WWII over staying objective.
     
  9. Aderthan

    Aderthan Member+

    Schwarz weiss essen
    Germany
    Nov 17, 2020
    The British media was goin full WWII mode everytime Germany were in action(Euro 96).
     
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  10. BVBFNM

    BVBFNM Member+

    Apr 3, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Funny thing about the WWII references is that the ones who harp on about it are people who didn't even live through it. From what I can tell the people who actually did have a very forgive-and-forget attitude towards Germany and its people.
     
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  11. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Italy, Spain and Germany have not won a single knock-out round match at a WC since they won their final in 2006, 2010 and 2014.
     
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  12. BVBFNM

    BVBFNM Member+

    Apr 3, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Shame about Germany and Italy, delighted for Spain.
     
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  13. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I mean Italy haven't qualified since 2010, lol.
     
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  14. poorvi

    poorvi Member+

    Feb 5, 2006
    Bombay
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Italy played in WC 2014.
    Uruguay, Costa Rica, England and Italy were a group.

    The latter two were eliminated in the group stage.:geek:
     
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  15. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I my mind I shifted 2018-2022 misses to 2014-2018. But yes your right but still 2 back to back fails is too much
     
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  16. Germanyfan1993

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jun 17, 2018
    People slander me in America for being a german fan and claim i'm all those generalizations even though my grandfather was born in Germany and grew up watching this team with my dad.
     
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  17. Thomsen

    Thomsen Member+

    Aug 6, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Jc, Germany’s road to a potential SF this year was so managable
     
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  18. Shwass5555

    Shwass5555 Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Nov 21, 2022
    I think this is the most depressing thing. But maybe in the long term this is the disaster this team and the DFB more broadly needed to make some changes similar to the early 2000s. The DFB as a whole needed to clean house after the off field scandles and terrible results and academy mismanagement of recent years.
     
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  19. Germanyfan1993

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jun 17, 2018
    Yes, but probably possible would fall to Morrocco even though Germany are better at penalties haha.
     
  20. Aderthan

    Aderthan Member+

    Schwarz weiss essen
    Germany
    Nov 17, 2020
    I still think that even an average Bundesliga coach will definitely more than able to get Germany advance to the ko stage,any coach without Spanish possession based of football to be precise. It hurts me to see the likes of Fullkrug goin home early, man could have a memorable WC run,possibly his best chance too since he'll be 33 comes next WC.
     
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  21. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Hawwy Kane is same age as Fullkrug.

    unlike Pengland we shall have emerging future promising CFs.
     
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  22. BVBFNM

    BVBFNM Member+

    Apr 3, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Basically any coach that isn't infected by the Spanish Disease.
     
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  23. BorisG

    BorisG Member+

    Sep 30, 2009
    Namibia
    Club:
    FC Nürnberg
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    mhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh so Flick announcing that he is still planning with Neuer for 2024....

    Come on man Flick .
    I always said I would never criticize Flick until after this world cup, and now is the time to do so as promised.

    Flick made crucial mistakes this world cup and also Nations League
    1. Losing against Hungary and drawing England, means we have no more competitive matches.
    2. He should have learned from the Hungary game that we are suspect to low block teams.
    3. Not having a starting XI until it was to late - especially around the defenders.
    4. Having this thing that Kimmich , Goretzka and Gundo having to play
    5. Not playing with a CF Fulkrug
    6. Hanging on to Muller
    7. Hanging on to Neuer
    8. If hanging onto those players why not Hummels
    9. Subbing out best player against Japan
    10. Could not get team to defend as a unit. High Pressing we know that we are suspect to counters (Hungary)
     
  24. dabny

    dabny Member

    Anderlecht
    Belgium
    Apr 5, 2019
    Flick was hands down the biggest disapointment for me.
    going into the world cup i actually believed having Flick as coach would be one of Germanys biggest assets.
    turns out he was the biggest hindrance and there's no signs he's learnt anything from this.
     
  25. Alex C

    Alex C Member+

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    One of the problems with hiring Flick was that he literally has virtually zero experience of coaching anything other than a dominant team. So far he’s only proven he can do well at Bayern when he had better players then most opponents and could always play on the front foot, take more risks and even if the defending was occasionally suspect they would usually outscore other teams so it didn’t matter so much. That isn’t gonna work with the NT.
     
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