WC Qatar 2022 - The Cup of Shame

Discussion in 'Germany: National Teams' started by Dage, Oct 25, 2022.

  1. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Namibia
    I do think one thing that really screwed Germany was Loew being allowed to take the team in to the Euro '21

    Flick should have had a full 2 year cycle. Without Corona - Loew gets sacked in '20
     
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  2. saj7866

    saj7866 Member+

    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Yep I definitely agree there. One year is definitely not enough to get a dysfunctional national team back on track to become contenders. But no way a group stage exit is justified in a squad who have substantial quality.

    No way England have better players than us, but I guess Southgate has worked for a period of time to build a bond.

    For me Loews extended period as the national coach is One of the Major reasons of our current crisis.
     
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  3. Alex C

    Alex C Member+

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany


    Time to try some new options.
     
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  4. Dage

    Dage Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 4, 2008
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Jesus, spare us the drama with Neuer which only will lead to a lot of bad blood and just give it to ter Stegen. Maybe do an open fight between mats and trapp but get rid of Neuer, asap.
     
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  5. BorisG

    BorisG Member+

    Sep 30, 2009
    Namibia
    Club:
    FC Nürnberg
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    This World Cup exist defiantly hurts more then the last one . As it was so unnecessary….

    If the team juts played
    Full focus like against spain their first game .

    One lesson hopefully when playing for Nt you have to be fully 100 percnt from the start .

    These concentration blunders are our down fall . If you play for NT you have to be fully committed or go home all the time

    Pity we don’t have any competitive matches until the euros .

    We can just hope they now know what it takes .
     
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  6. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    what the team is missing
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  7. BVBFNM

    BVBFNM Member+

    Apr 3, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Sadly all the blood, sweat and grit has been scrubbed away.
     
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  8. BorisG

    BorisG Member+

    Sep 30, 2009
    Namibia
    Club:
    FC Nürnberg
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    exactly
     
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  9. BorisG

    BorisG Member+

    Sep 30, 2009
    Namibia
    Club:
    FC Nürnberg
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    We now have to watch another team taking the honors... and other teams making a name for themselves. Not saying we would have won the tourney but damn we could have made such a huge impact

    I guess we are all allowed to cry this year ,and next year we just have to pick up ourselves and move on.

    I am sure this loss however will sit deep with the younger generation, and will have an impact on their future performances. no one will forget this exit. Not that they were terrible at all, but when you go in to a world cup , you give it it your all from the start and you forget about politics and other things that have nothing to do with the sport.
    Players like Musiala, Raum, Schloterbeck , Havertz , Bella, Adeyemi, Moukoko ... all of them will remember this and hopefully next few tourneys they will be the ones that make sure this will never happen again......
     
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  10. BorisG

    BorisG Member+

    Sep 30, 2009
    Namibia
    Club:
    FC Nürnberg
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    SnipImage.jpg
     
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  11. BorisG

    BorisG Member+

    Sep 30, 2009
    Namibia
    Club:
    FC Nürnberg
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Latest FIFA rankings including games from last night, Germany with only a deficit of 3.26 Points

    The other teams like Argentina, Brasil, Spain, Portugal and France as they all lost a game also haven't scored incredible bonus points. England and Netherlands racking up most point so far ..

    Seems if Morocco and Japan dont score any upsets we will maintain our current positions of 13th ( as we were so unlucky it is a fitting position number)
     
  12. saj7866

    saj7866 Member+

    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    It angers me that we weren't 100% focused. Bierhoff surely cannot be spared for this.
     
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  13. BorisG

    BorisG Member+

    Sep 30, 2009
    Namibia
    Club:
    FC Nürnberg
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    yes I would have been okay to loose against Brasil in the 1/4 if they were better then us.


    URGHHH
    hahaha I see we still all angry as is the german nation.
    Germany has never ever stuffed up this bad.....
     
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  14. saj7866

    saj7866 Member+

    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    To be honest there's no stand out team, we had enough quality to get to semis .
     
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  15. Alex C

    Alex C Member+

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Low should have had the dignity to resign post 2018 debacle, everyone could see nothing was gonna change. Even playing our group matches at home in the Euros we still came very close to finishing bottom of the group again. Any national football association with any balls whatsoever would have fired Bierhoff for backing Low and being party to the pathetic PowerPoint presentation that somehow convinced the DFB we were actually gonna improve without big changes.
     
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  16. BorisG

    BorisG Member+

    Sep 30, 2009
    Namibia
    Club:
    FC Nürnberg
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    and yes we can carry on an bitch as we also have process this traumatic situation, especially for the fact that we could have done so well

    OK in January we will stop :mad::(:confused::D:eek:
     
  17. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Namibia
    That's because Loew was the 'heat shield'

    sacking him exposed the DFB to blame.

    I am cup half full on all of this, Germany has some exciting new talent compared to the gloom of '18-20 but i do. worry at the state of BL1
     
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  18. Alex C

    Alex C Member+

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    The 1BL is arguably stronger and more competetive now then it has been in a while in terms of everyone below Bayern. The problem is Bayern are still a clear step ahead of everyone else which makes the title race a non event. It is particularly encouraging to see a team like Freiburg who give proper chances to younger players able up to this point to maintain strong domestic form and cruise to top spot in their Europa League group.
     
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  19. Alex C

    Alex C Member+

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Just to add to that Freiburg’s example could be key, as if they can show that BL clubs can be competitive on two fronts with sensible spending and youth integration then it’s definitely possible that teams like Hertha, Stuttgart & Leverkusen could do the same in coming years. All 3 have some very promising youth.
     
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  20. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Namibia
    The problem is, none of the non-bayern sides can build a core over time that they hold on to, and especially develop deep european experience.

    Currently it feels like there is just the Bayern team and some bits and pieces.

    Gundo (retiring) and Rudiger are the only 2 who have big european experience outside Germany, arguably playing a higher level of club football than Kimmich and co - I think that showed.

    Havertz is still possible but his career seems in flux, and Werner didn't cut it
     
  21. Aderthan

    Aderthan Member+

    Schwarz weiss essen
    Germany
    Nov 17, 2020
    Streich do wonders with a lot of the so called ok-ish player. Flick is vice versa.
     
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  22. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Messi on Germany's exit: "It surprised me because they had many important players, a young team and because Germany is always among the best. It's surprising that they were eliminated in the group stage once again"
     
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  23. saj7866

    saj7866 Member+

    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Agree. I cant still get over it. We had alot of quality.
     
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  24. Alex C

    Alex C Member+

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    We are out primarily due to piss weak leadership imo. Weak leadership from the DFB, weak leadership from Flick and weak leadership on the pitch.

    I would fire Bierhoff and replace him with Hoeness, fire Flick and appoint Magath and strip Neuer of the captaincy and give it to Rudiger or call up Rode and make him captain. No nonsense grit and hard work first above all else.
     
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  25. Aderthan

    Aderthan Member+

    Schwarz weiss essen
    Germany
    Nov 17, 2020
    Rudiger should be the new captain.
     
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