Did we really need 4 posts of Ochoa's face? Overreactions are what any selecao thread is known for, no need to be surprised. I think these people would kill themselves if they had to watch santos, vasco, or flamengo every week.
every goal there's a cause and reaction to it.. you can also say the first croatian goal was a result from Brazil trying to press Croatia and relieve some of the early tensions of the WC. So if Brazil was tied 1 x 1 with Croatia we should assume Brazil can't break past that defense either? Assumptions are just that.. assumptions
Nope, but given the course of the game, it was probably the most likely of scenarios. We would have had little over 20 minutes to do so and we had been playing awful in the second half.
I actually enjoyed your posts Guigs. Thanks. About Croatia (again?): the chance of that game ending at 1:1 if we didn't have that penalty is the same as the game ending 4:1, 6:1, 1:8, or a meteor falling on the pitch and killing everyone in a 15km radius. It's impossible to change the past or predict the future.
Sensible suggestion... Meteor falling seems the most likely by the way. Look, Germany had less shots than we did against Mexico, scored 4 times in less chances... And people are saying they are a super team when they allowed a REALLY bad portuguese team to strike from inside their box. The Netherlands not only had less shots than us, they also had Casillas gift them 2 goals AND their GK worked way more than JC did. I also consider that Sergio Ramos is not Thiago Silva... And there's no way Robben is outrunning Thiago Silva, Luiz Gustavo and David Luiz.. like he outran Pique, Ramos and Busquets. So in theory if we're going to take a look at all possibles scenarios, that same dutch team plays against yesterday's Brazil, they are having the same exact game Mexico had and hope that their GK has an inspired game like Ochoa. But... isn't that just silly talk?
You are making it sound like Germany had several less shots than us. They had ONE less shot and more shots on target. Netherlands had 13 total shots vs Spain (1 less than us), EXCEPT 11 of theirs were on target to our 8. Hardly the same scenario. Don't try to twist it.
In your head maybe.. they had 5 shots on goal 8 out of target.. scored on 4 opportunities... 10 from inside the box, Brazil allowed 2 against Mexico while allowing most of the Croatian shots from inside the box... Clearly Felipao worked hard to stop shots from coming from inside the box. Also they had 12 shots Not trying to twist it, but all scenarios are just that, assumptions and scenarios, if before the game you told me, Mexico will have 2 shots actually reaching the goal, both from outside of the box, while Brazil will have 8 shots on target with 5 clear cut scoring chances... I would take it EVERYTIME!!!! the reaction to it.. is playing the results, Brazil scores 3 of those and we're talking about how sound Paulinho, T. Silva, David Luiz and Luiz G have been on that game, only allowing 2 attempts from inside the box and shots from really far.
Sorry Croatia had 4 shots from inside and 5 from outside, because they are counting that corner as a shot. Their best scoring opportunities all coming from headers inside the box.
No. I pulled those stats from FIFA.com (ESPNFC has the same, Whoscored has even less favorable statistics for Brazil). So where did you get yours from? Not trying to twist it, but all scenarios are just that, assumptions and scenarios, if before the game you told me, Mexico will have 2 shots actually reaching the goal, both from outside of the box, while Brazil will have 8 shots on target with 5 clear cut scoring chances... I would take it EVERYTIME!!!! Paulinho made 1 tackle all game, 0 interceptions and 1 clearance.
http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/statistics/teams/shots-positions.html If you want to look further, Brazil had 8 shots on target from inside the box in 2 games. Netherlands has 7 in 1 game. Germany has 8. Nice try, Guigs.
Fifa and Whoscored counts blocked shots, there's the difference. Paulinho and Luiz had 1 job.. protect the wings and herd the ball to the middle of the pitch, mission accomplished I would say, when Mexico tried going down the wing they ran into Paulinho and Luiz, but they were not aggressively defending, they just blocked the way and made Mexico either take them on (which they didn't) or back track, which gave time for Alves and Marcelo to track back, and when Mexico was getting the ball forward Paulinho would come up and herd them into the middle of the pitch were Luiz was there to challenge. I watched the game twice already, and until Ramires left the game and Paulinho and David Luiz started going forward more because the game was still tied it was working to perfection. Mexico would take the ball and you would see Paulinho come up and give the middle of the pitch, Mexico would take it and then Gustavo would challenge. That was the story of the first half... Check to see how many times people dribble past Paulinho, you're going to see a bunch.
They count blocked shots for Germany, and again, the Dutch and the German only scored from inside the box.. Brazil set up a defense where you don't get shots from!? inside the box... HOOORAY Felipao!! good thing he watched that Germany game 3 times already.
Blocked shots aren't on target. Just because it worked vs Mexico doesn't mean it will vs the top teams....
Shots ON TARGET aren't blocked. Paulinho and Luiz had 1 job.. protect the wings and herd the ball to the middle of the pitch, mission accomplished I would say, when Mexico tried going down the wing they ran into Paulinho and Luiz, but they were not aggressively defending, they just blocked the way and made Mexico either take them on (which they didn't) or back track, which gave time for Alves and Marcelo to track back, and when Mexico was getting the ball forward Paulinho would come up and herd them into the middle of the pitch were Luiz was there to challenge. I watched the game twice already, and until Ramires left the game and Paulinho and David Luiz started going forward more because the game was still tied it was working to perfection. Mexico would take the ball and you would see Paulinho come up and give the middle of the pitch, Mexico would take it and then Gustavo would challenge. That was the story of the first half... Check to see how many times people dribble past Paulinho, you're going to see a bunch.[/QUOTE] Paulinho spent most of his time in the center......
Luiz Gustavo stayed back and offered more protection, which is his job. As you can see, Paulinho did go forward (which is part of his role) and he was poor, which is the point most people are trying to make.
We're talking about 1 extra shot on target from Germany here.. really? Germany had 6 scored on 4... instead of 5 on 4.. really? footstats.net also has a shot map, they don't add blocked shots, if I miscounted 1 is that REALLy that big of a deal.. Now tell me if I tell you against Cameroon Brazil will have 5 clear cut chances at goal and Cameroon will only have shots from outside of the box with 2 reaching our GK, with Alves and Marcelo not being a defensive liability.. you wouldn't take that? You're out of your mind!
1 extra shot in ONE less game. That's a big difference. Not my point. What will happen vs Germany, Spain, Holland, etc?
Did you noticed that Luiz Gustavo played as a central defender for a WHOLE lot of the second half? And yes Paulinho stayed in the middle of the pitch which is exactly what he was meant to do. On the second half he pushed forward and we became more vulnerable, was fixed later.. look at your heat map, Paulinho Hardly went forward
I'm talking on just the Mexico game... if you include both games Brazil had way more shots, what are you saying?
There's darkened space right at the top of the half circle. He went forward and only completed 79% of his passes. Poor.
Taking your source... http://www.whoscored.com/Matches/789650/Live http://www.whoscored.com/Matches/789617/Live that's 6 on target 3 off for Germany that's 6 on target 6 off for Brazil
Second half, straight up watch the game again, Paulinho plays as a Center forward and David Luiz as a CM while Luiz Gustavo plays as a CB..
I've watched it twice. Don't confuse Luiz making runs as him playing CM. He didn't even pass the halfway line.....