http://www.news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=2409855 http://www.news.scotsman.com/uk.cfm?id=50472004 http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/15/i...00&en=3ae81f13a4bd861b&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=dulles+bullets&sa=N&tab=wn http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&l...e81f13a4bd861b&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE Great to see that the TSA has everything under control. Kind of ironic that flights that originated in Europe and came into the States were cancelled, but that the flights that orignated in the States were the ones to be careful of.
Let's keep duplicate threads to a minimum, please. https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=90910 I could merge this if you like.
Re: Let's keep duplicate threads to a minimum, please. As soon as you tell me how background checks would've found bullets in this guy's carry one bags. Wait, I know. They wouldn't! The security at Dulles did NOT catch this guy, in spite of the fact that the TSA is "on alert" at airport all over the country, especially those in the DC area. Just an FYI - Dulles International is one of the airports that serves the Nation's Capital. Then again, what the hell do we care, if the plane's leaving the country? We'll just keep a close eye on those that are coming in, right? TSA is a joke. DHS is a joke. Do you seriously expect these idiots, who can't even use XRAY MACHINES TO FIND BULLETs to be able to use something as high-tech as a computer database to track down supsected terrorists?
Hook, line, sinker Background checks won't find anything. Security won't find anything either. To hell with the system! You have an agenda. You think that starting new threads for every other issue related to your agenda will force change or make your point? Redundant "I told ya so" threads don't merit the bandwidth and push other topics down the page. Let's not forget that this is not our personal forum and others may want to read other topics but have to work to find them. User friendly. I like it. I mean, come on. Dulles serves the DC area? Really? I guess you like the late Secretary of State John Foster Dulles to call this airport by its name. What is that other "national" airport called down in DC?
Tell me again. How exactly is this redundant? What does the fact that someone managed to get on an airplane in the US, gone through security in the US, gotten on board a plane originating in the US, and flown to Heathrow unmolested by TSA security have to do with background checks? What is redundant? Read the "Key Points" at the British Air Line Pilots Association web page. Background checks are a fad. If you want to prevent someone with bullets or a gun from getting on board an aircraft, make sure you use the security procedures that are already in place.
And which weren't enforced then and are not being enforced now. I assume you didn't click on the BALPA link. This "key point" is especially relevant: I hapen to think that EVERYTHING TSA has done since 9/11/2001 has been to make people think that things are safer, when the reality is that they are not. And they can make things safer by simply screening properly at the gates. Hire security guards at the airports who are actually government employees who are trained in how to handle emergency situations. In other words, hire cops, not rent-a-cops, as your line of defense to prevent bad people from getting on board airplanes. It's like that in every country I've ever travelled in except the USA. TSA tries to pretend that our system is superior to the systems that have already been in place in European airports for a long time. I've seen guards armed with machine guns since the first time I ever landed in a European airport which was way back in 1984.
Re: Hook, line, sinker I believe Dulles is where any and all international flights to/from DC / NO VA are out of, as well as a hub for United. Reagan is basically an US Airways airport if I'm not mistaken.
Well congrats MIKE!! You FINALLY, somewhere in all your whining, offered a concrete suggestion for imporvement!! A first! Unfortunately, although it might help, I cant see this being the "holy grail" you make it out to be.
Save you patronizing crap. And this is not "a first." I've said since 9/11 happened that one of the biggest problems with security at airports in the USA is that the credentials they use for hiring a guard seem to be about as stringent as those they use for hiring a guard at a movie theater. Frankly, I don't care if the screeners are gov't employees or contractors who work for the gov't. Bottom line is that they need to be trained, and need to have more skill than just being able to fill out a form. When TSA itself was created, it was an agency that had no teeth, mostly due to political infighting on BOTH sides of the aisle. Rather than actually allowing airports to determine how best to handle their own unique security needs, the agency was created to oversee all of them. And because for the most part the Democrats wanted all gov't employees and the Republicans wanted all private contractors, the agency was doomed to be a joke before the first TSA employee/contractor screened his first bag. We created two new useless government agencies in the post 9/11 world. The cabinet-level Department of Homeland Security, with its director telling us that we can keep safe with duct tape and plastic sheeting, and the Transportation Security Agency, which lets people get on board planes with bullets in their bags, but stops people with nailclippers and safety razors and makes grandmothers take off their shoes. The holy grail I'd like to find is a security system that is similar to the ones I've seen when I've traveled abroad. Rather than create a new agency that has no idea what the hell it's doing, the gov't should've looked at systems that are currently in place elsewhere and followed those models. As it stands right now, I think that if a terrorist wanted to get on board a flight, there's little the TSA would be able to do to stop him.
the sad part is, it really WASNT intended to be patronizing.. this is pretty much the first time you have "stepped up" and offered constructive criticism. oh, so I am wrong. It wasnt a first.. Does this mean that ALL of the things you bitch about are solved by training quality? Just couldnt help yourself could you?. After all, it is ALL BUSH'S fault... Fine, profile people. That is the only was around these problems.. And we all know we cant do that, so deal with the inconvenience like everyone else.. Besides training and carrying an M-16 at the gate, I really dont see what the difference is..
Sure came across that way. No. So things I bitch about will be solved when Bush is out of the White House. Did I blame Bush for the fact that TSA is a joke? Did you see the part where I wrote "both sides of the aisle?" The fact that TSA is worthless can be blamed on Democrats and Republicans. I said that TSA manages to stop people from getting nailclippers onto planes, but somehow fails to stop people with bullets. If they're x-raying EVERY SINGLE CARRYON (and they are) don't you think someone should've noticed bullets? Or a gun? Or a knife? And if you are going to ask someone to take off their shoes, maybe, just maybe, the little old lady isn't a likely candidate for being a terrorist. If that's profiling, so be it. You're right. That's what they should've done - trained the screeners and brought more armed guards into airports. I've seen uniformed guards armed with submachine guns in Rome, Zurich, Paris, Venice, Frankfurt, and other European airports I've been to, and this was all before September 11th.