Watch list Attackers Orange team

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  1. Van Bergkamp

    Van Bergkamp Member

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Mar 3, 2023
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Piroe scored 4 goals to Leeds promotion back to EPL. He is EFL top scorer. Piroe and Emegha should be top choices.
     
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  2. 152217



    The Nigerian Football Association is trying to convince Emanuel Emegha of an international switch. The 22-year-old striker is seen in Nigeria as a promising candidate to succeed star attacker Victor Osimhen in the long term.
    Emegha has been discussed within the staff of the Dutch national team, but apart from a visit from assistant coach Erwin Koeman – who was present at the league match between Strasbourg and Stade Brest in February – he only has contact with Jong Oranje national coach Michael Reiziger. The Nigerian federation hopes to take advantage of this and persuade Emegha to play for the Super Eagles in the future.
     
  3. windycity

    windycity Member

    Oct 19, 2001
    Where do you think
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Koeman needs to get a brain and give him a chance
     
  4. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Little Israel (Mokum)
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    It is a bit weird and sad that until the mid 2000s we had many CL and UEFA Cup topscorers but later on not any more.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UEFA_Champions_League_top_scorers#By_country

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UEFA_Cup_and_Europa_League_top_scorers#By_country

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UEFA_Cup_Winners'_Cup_top_scorers#By_country

    In each one top three, basically.

    https://football-ratings.blogspot.com/2024/08/topscorers-per-nation-in-international.html?m=1
    (Netherlands has 7 there, which is correct, and it doesn't include a single one from Olympic Games, Conference League or Nations League - so without this it will move up)
     
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  5. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Little Israel (Mokum)
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Maybe the play is so open at underage levels and later that it isn't conducive to creating attacking talents but is good for defensive prospects.
     
  6. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Little Israel (Mokum)
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Although Netherlands has no player with more than 14 (non-penalty) goals in a top five league, how does it stack up collectively?

    Goals this season by 'non-Big Five' players scored in the Big Five leagues


    Brazil - 193 goals (includes 17 penalty goals)
    Argentina - 151 goals (14 pk)
    Netherlands - 137 goals (8 pk)
    Belgium - 109 (4 pk)
    Portugal - 102 (11 pk)
    Denmark - 94 (5 pk)
    Morocco - 55 (4 pk)
    Switzerland - 47 goals (6 pk)
    Austria - 42 (3 pk)
    Croatia - 42 (6 pk)

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    https://fbref.com/en/comps/Big5/nations/Big-5-European-Leagues-Nationalities
    https://fbref.com/en/comps/Big5/stats/players/Big-5-European-Leagues-Stats

    To be continued
     
  7. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Little Israel (Mokum)
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Extended to the 25 nationalities with the most minutes.

    Senegal - 90 (10 pk)
    Nigeria - 82 (5 pk)
    Sweden - 80 (5 pk)
    Norway - 69 (4 pk)
    Ivory Coast - 53 goals (0 pk)
    Poland - 38 (7 pk)
    Serbia - 35 (7 pk)
    United States - 33 (3 pk)
    Mali - 23 (2 pk)
    Ireland - 14 (0 pk)

    Senegal is interesting because it has only 18.1 million inhabitants, almost the same as us (with a much younger population of course). With Sadio Mane of course no longer playing in Europe.

    Bonus: England - 376 goals (34 pk)
     
  8. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Little Israel (Mokum)
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    There is clearly a problem to develop a high volume goalscorer but as a whole 'we' are with Argentina 2nd behind Brazil (roughly) in terms of goalscoring in Top Five leagues.
     
  9. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Little Israel (Mokum)
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    With the Europa League finished, here the same, by nationalities in total (will do the same after the CL final is played). Only the top 25 in playing minutes displayed.

    Spain - 48 (5 pk)
    Netherlands - 38 (6 pk)
    Denmark - 30 (3 pk)
    France - 28 (1 pk)
    Czech Republic - 27 (0 pk)
    Portugal - 23 (6 pk)
    England - 22 (2 pk)
    Norway - 22 (1 pk)
    Argentina - 21 (1 pk)
    Morocco - 19 (0 pk)
    Belgium - 18 (0 pk)
    Ghana - 16 (2 pk)
    Brazil - 14 (3 pk)
    Nigeria - 13 (1 pk)
    Romania - 13 (0 pk)
    Sweden - 13 (0 pk)
    Turkey - 13 (0 pk)
    Germany - 9 (0 pk)
    Italy - 9 (1 pk)
    Ukraine - 9 (1 pk)
    Senegal - 8 (0 pk)
    Israel - 7 (1 pk)
    Croatia - 6 (0 pk)
    Serbia - 4 (1 pk)
    Greece - 2 (0 pk)

    https://fbref.com/en/comps/19/nations/Europa-League-Nationalities
    https://fbref.com/en/comps/19/stats/Europa-League-Stats
     
  10. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Little Israel (Mokum)
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Serie A is finished now (#2 in the coefficients).

    Our countrymen scored 36 goals there, without a penalty. In 2023-24 this was 42 goals, with 5 penalties. This was with Zirkzee playing in the league and Koopmeiners prolific for Atalanta (now at Juventus less prolific and also different roles and set-up). Argentina produced 2023-24 a high 91 goals (with 20 penalty goals); Brazil 30 goals (3 penalties)

    2024-25 Serie A goals by foreign nationality (top 25 in minutes played)

    Argentina - 75 goals (7 penalties)
    France - 69 (4 pk)
    Netherlands - 36 (0 pk)
    Belgium - 34 (3 pk)
    Scotland - 32 (1 pk)
    Spain - 27 (2 pk)
    Denmark - 26 (2 pk)
    Brazil - 20 (3 pk)
    United States - 20 (3 pk)
    Portugal - 19 (0 pk)
    Serbia - 19 (5 pk)
    Switzerland - 14 (2 pk)
    Sweden - 12 (1 pk)
    Croatia - 11 (2 pk)
    Germany - 10 (0 pk)
    Colombia - 9 (0 pk)
    Cameroon - 8 (0 pk)
    England - 8 (1 pk)
    Romania - 8 (2 pk)
    Poland - 5 (2 pk)
    Ivory Coast - 4 (0 pk)
    Albania - 4 (2 pk)
    Slovakia - 2 (0 pk)
    Morocco - 2 (0 pk)
     
  11. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Little Israel (Mokum)
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Germany and France are of course also finished, two other top five leagues (although one can argue Ligue 1 sits clearly below the other 4). This also helps to calculate a 'top four leagues' at the very end.

    Bundesliga goals by foreign nationality (top 25 in minutes played)

    France - 75 goals (2 pk)
    England - 40 (9 pk)
    Austria - 37 (3 pk)
    Denmark - 37 (2 pk)
    Czech Republic - 33 (1 pk)
    Netherlands - 32 (1 pk)
    Japan - 27 (2 pk)
    Bosnia & H. - 23 (0 pk)
    Belgium - 16 (0 pk)
    Slovenia - 16 (2 pk)
    Croatia - 16 (4 pk)
    Sweden - 15 (0 pk)
    Nigeria - 14 (2 pk)
    Portugal - 13 (0 pk)
    Algeria - 12 (2 pk)
    South Korea - 12 (0 pk)
    Slovakia - 9 (0 pk)
    Serbia - 8 (1 pk)
    Switzerland - 7 (0 pk)
    Hungary - 7 (0 pk)
    Brazil - 6 (0 pk)
    Norway - 6 (2 pk)
    Greece - 5 (0 pk)
    United States - 2 (0 pk)

    * Harry Kane scored on his own 9 penalties...


    Ligue 1 goals by foreign nationality (top 25 in minutes played)

    Ivory Coast - 37 (0 pk)
    England - 34 (8 pk)
    Brazil - 33 (3 pk)
    Algeria - 31 (4 pk)
    Morocco - 30 (3 pk)
    Senegal - 30 (4 pk)
    Japan - 25 (0 pk)
    Portugal - 24 (4 pk)
    Belgium - 23 (0 pk)
    Netherlands - 23 (1 pk)
    Canada - 20 (6 pk)
    Switzerland - 19 (4 pk)
    Denmark - 18 (1 pk)
    Nigeria - 16 (4 pk)
    Guinea - 14 (8 pk)
    Mali - 14 (2 pk)
    Ghana - 12 (0 pk)
    Norway - 10 (0 pk)
    Spain - 9 (0 pk)
    Cameroon - 7 (0 pk)
    United States - 7 (0 pk)
    Argentina - 4 (0 pk)
    Poland - 4 (2 pk)
    Serbia - 0 goals
     
  12. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Little Israel (Mokum)
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    When you exclude penalties Emegha finished 2nd in the Ligue 1 goalscorer list. Behind Dembele of PSG.

    Emegha should be called up for Oranje soon.
     
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  13. Forget it.
    Brobbey will be sold to an epl club and will be sected by Koeman, because he plays in a better/more competitive league.
    The fact that Brobbey scored less than a substitute striker at Ajax (Weghorst) with more goals insubstantially less minutes, and scored about 1/6th of the actual topscorer of the Eredivisie, and less goals than Emegha and he still got preference over those two is a prediction of what Cowbrain will do next season.
     
  14. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Little Israel (Mokum)
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Final table

    Goals this season by 'non-Big Five' players scored in the Big Five leagues

    Brazil - 194 (17 pk)
    Argentina - 154 (15 pk)
    Netherlands - 138 (8 pk)
    Belgium - 112 (4 pk)
    Portugal - 105 (11 pk)
    Denmark - 96 (7 pk)
    Senegal - 93 (10 pk)
    Nigeria - 82 (5 pk)
    Sweden - 82 (5 pk)
    Norway - 75 (5 pk)
    Japan - 70 (2 pk)
    Croatia - 64 (14 pk)
    Ivory Coast - 57 (0 pk)
    Morocco - 55 (4 pk)
    Ghana - 53 (1 pk)
    Switzerland - 48 (6 pk)
    Cameroon - 45 (5 pk)
    Austria - 42 (3 pk)
    Poland - 40 (7 pk)
    Serbia - 35 (7 pk)

    * The sudden bump for Croatia is because of some flag changes at fbref.

    N.B. USA 33 goals (3 pk), Uruguay 45 goals (6 pk)

    Premier League goals by foreign nationality (top 25 in minutes played)

    Brazil - 84 (7 pk)
    Norway - 39 (4 pk)
    Sweden - 39 (4 pk)
    Netherlands - 38 (6 pk)
    Egypt - 37 (9 pk)
    Portugal - 35 (3 pk)
    France - 34 (3 pk)
    Senegal - 30 (2 pk)
    Ghana - 28 (1 pk)
    Argentina - 27 (0 pk)
    Spain - 27 (0 pk)
    Germany - 26 (0 pk)
    Colombia - 25 (0 pk)
    Belgium - 23 (0 pk)
    Cameroon - 23 (5 pk)
    Wales - 22 (0 pk)
    Nigeria - 20 (0 pk)
    Denmark - 15 (2 pk)
    Ireland - 14 (0 pk)
    Scotland - 10 (0 pk)
    Italy - 9 (0 pk)
    Poland - 4 (0 pk)
    United States - 1 (0 pk)
    Ukraine - 1 (0 pk)

    N.B. Uruguay 8 goals (0 pk)

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    To be returned when the Champions League is finished... there is some margin for improvement (I'd say that every corner of the country needs to have a good academy, with AZ and Twente as examples).
     
  15. BaritoPutra

    BaritoPutra Member+

    Jan 26, 2007
    Tough luck for the injured Emegha. He would have been a strong contender to start for both Oranje and Oranje U21.
     
  16. windycity

    windycity Member

    Oct 19, 2001
    Where do you think
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    So far so good
     

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