These are the average match ratings from journalists who were professionally paid to attend and watch Serie A games live during the 1980s.
... . For example there are several complete games from AC Milan 1991-1992 season Serie A calcio .... they give Van Basten very very higher ratings But when you see this entire match Ruud Gullit played or had much better performances than Van Basten ........... at Least .. playmaking, team-work, headers won %, faster movements, dribbling skills and defensive whole job
Maradona had 3 moments of golden swan flight 1. 1985 with Argentina friendlies and South American Qualifying games against Juventus ..Home-game Atalanta ..Home-game........... Serie A Calcio .......... 1985-1986 season 2. World Cup 1986 3. Italy Cup season 1986-1987 Stagione after this Diego as a complete player never again reached this level of performance again and again... I say unfortunately
Off on a tangent but I was thinking re: your selection of Chelsea players (Zola, Gullit, Hazard) that in theory if you were a bit older (I guess you are give or take similar generation to me) it could be that you'd have added Osgood, cos he's renowned as a Chelsea legend and also had a combination of individual skill and effectiveness apparently that could make him a similar kind of choice.... Maybe you would know some older guys who are Chelsea fans and could consider that fully even....
He's taking his clips and highlights over your first hand accounts of seeing him live. We reached a new low
Clearly you ignore that in 1979 Zico scored 65 goals in 51 games played on the potato field of Brasil. He would be scoring blindfolded on the persian carpets of today. And he would not even need to play in a superteam like Messi's Barcelona or in a Michey Mouse league like MLS. Indeed in NT Zico scored MORE (goals/90 min) than Messi.
yes , The ball bounced more than a drunken crazy soap hahaha at Maracana's field .. "! in 70's ...80's ...
I have seen that video many times before. Actually I have seen him donig that tricks live and direct, before playing against Struttgart. Such an evidence proves nothing. Take a look at this Or go to youtube and find even more impressive (than Maradona's warm up) tricks by Marcelo Dinho Pogba and other players. Regarding Gullit vs. Maradona, I saw all the matches they found one against the other on the pitch, with my own eyes, and I know well all Maradona's flips and tricks could not be more useless at preventing him from being crushed by prime Gullit. Of course I am assuming we are talking about professional football, not circus artistry
Maradona's fans always resort to"Player X said he was the best" (or even "everybody knows he was the best") argument to back their claims, which should be totally unnecessary. If he has been the greatest ever by such a margin as they maintain, than it would be evident just by looking at plain football facts. But unfortunately that doesn't work in their case. Facts do not show he was clearly ahead of Platini or Baggio, just to name the two players most readily comparable to him (for characteristics, position on the pitch, chronologically, ...)
Yes exactly! Just how good was Dixie Dean? People posting stats on a TEAM GAME are doing it pointlessly, Maradona IS the greatest player I have ever seen playing football and I've seen all his peers in the last 45 years or so.
Whats the good of 'football facts' when football is a team game!! If we are going down your route of relying on team game 'facts' then Erwin Helmchen is the greatest player of all time!
Paolo Maldini "The greatest player I’ve ever seen, way ahead of everyone else, including Platini, Rummenigge and the rest. Maradona was a cut above everybody. Diego was not only the best player, but also the most honest... He was kicked to death and never complained, not like today's players." Ruud Gullit "The best player there has ever been, better than Pelé. I watched him closely in Italy every week and he was at a different level to everyone else." Gary Lineker "He's the greatest player of all time, by a long way. A genuine phenomenon." Franco Baresi "When he was on form, there was almost no way of stopping him." Michel Platini "Diego was capable of things no one else could match. The things I could do with a football, he could do with an orange." Platini called Maradona "the greatest football lover there was," Marco van Basten and Lothar Matthäus all on record for rating him highly Careca "Without Maradona we wouldn't have won anything. He made the difference – he was a genius." Zico: "The best of the lot, no question. In my generation, my era, he was simply the best." So you have players who were considered their peak, who knew football than anyone here, getting the highest of absolute praise. What's the topic of the thread? oh yeah
Then what's the good of even considering who has been the best player if football is a team sport... Come on man... Of course I was condisering PERSONAL facts, like average assists and goals...and I am well aware of the many variables and weighting factors that have to be considered when comparing numbers... But surely much more revealing than a footage of juggles...
Every now and then, these quotes pop up... X said Y was the greatest, so Y must be the GOAT ... Different players said differently. Some of them even mentioned different names in different interviews. For instance, Paolo Rossi put Platini above Maradona https://archiviostorico.gazzetta.it...ni_era_meglio_Maradona__ga_10_080102145.shtml While Rummenigge singled out Zico https://www.facebook.com/calcio.tot...ggela-natura-aveva-premiato/3092924624253569/ And Platini said the best was Cruijff, to tell the truth https://www.90min.com/it/posts/plat...-il-napoli-mi-voleva-gli-avrei-lasciato-la-10 This claims are just kind of cliche, and influenced by personal experience and freshness of memories
That still doesn't negate the answer to the topic, was he overrated. So basically the best football players are telling you he wasn't even if you come at with "memory fog" comments
As I said in the previous messages that you paid a little attention to, I am well aware of importance of context. In a difference messages I stated comparisons do make sense only in a limited time and spatial frame. Indeed I compared Maradona to Baggio and Platini, not to Puskas and Di Stefano. But now it is my turn: so tell me, why Maradona is the greatest by a huge margin if not a few of his contemporaries shone at least as much brilliantly in serie A and even much more in the european cups? Why he is the greatest if his goal tally was not outstanding among attacking midfielder (not even when at Barca he played in fact as a striker)? Why he is no do doubt above Baggio if Baggio has more solo goals (just a random example...)?