Was Maradona Overrated

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  1. Kroos46

    Kroos46 Member

    Juventus
    Italy
    Jun 6, 2023
    These are Maradona's season-by-season average ratings in Europe (source: Gazzetta dello Sport):

    1986/87: 5
    1987/88: 5.25
    1988/89: 6.5
    1989/90: 6
    1990/91: 7


    In my view, Maradona’s performances in European competitions with Napoli were overall mediocre, a fact seemingly confirmed by his seasonal averages. Although he did lead the team to winning the UEFA Cup—a success in which Careca was perhaps the most decisive player—the club also suffered early eliminations against teams that should have been within their reach. Keeping an objective assessment of the entire period, his performance in Europe does not go beyond a narrow pass.



    Against Újpest, it was probably his best performance ever in European competition.

    Yes, that’s true. And even the Corriere’s average rating isn’t that far off — he sits at 6.1, which is essentially just barely above passing.
     
  2. Prasenjit

    Prasenjit Member

    Barcelona
    Argentina
    Aug 25, 2025
    I think you are a bit wrong about the Corriere rating.sometime ago I was searching for the same and found the rating to be about 6.5 for maradona.
     
  3. Kroos46

    Kroos46 Member

    Juventus
    Italy
    Jun 6, 2023
    Corriere della Sera used a different rating system, assigning one score for the first half and another for the second. It’s likely, therefore, that the method we used to calculate the average is different
     
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  4. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    Really lower !
     
  5. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    But, generally

    when I watched these entire matches from the past Legend Players

    I generally disagreed with the vast majority of the player assessments and notes

    I believe
    that they give so little importance
    to the entire defensive work, leadership, and taking responsibility
    for deciding matches through assists and pre-assists in general .


    My way of doing things is different from theirs too" italian journalists " .
     
  6. Kroos46

    Kroos46 Member

    Juventus
    Italy
    Jun 6, 2023
    Player ratings should never be taken at face value without actually watching the matches, because they’re always subjective and depend on the criteria of whoever is assigning them. I’ve always believed that Maradona’s performances in European competitions were not up to the level of his reputation: that UEFA Cup victory ends up masking what was, overall, a rather underwhelming campaign — and looking through Gazzetta’s match ratings only confirmed this impression.

    Today, players are crucified for a single poor performance, yet in Maradona’s case people often overlook the fact that, in Europe, he was knocked out early on several occasions, sometimes with displays that fell short against opponents who were well within reach.

    I frequently disagree with journalists’ ratings, both current and from that era: far too often the highest grade was simply given to whoever scored, without considering those who actually provided the more substantial contribution to the team.
     
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  7. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

     
  8. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    yes , i agree with you yes


    This is similar to Football Manager " game "

    when you, as a real football manager,

    request various reports

    from various scouters at the same time

    generally, scouts

    disagree greatly to each other always .. "!


    Some say one thing and others say something completely different.
     
  9. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024










    for example there .......


    the guy

    called


    Zico Classic Football noting him : 8, 5 ...

    by Big chances created , key-Passes , 1 assist (Opta ) and some dribbles completed ....there ...


    But for me, I didn't see any defensive action in this video...

    For me, the rating drops to... 7.5
     
  10. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024






    Maradona vs PAOK............... Away-game .... 1988-1989 season by Video there ..


    4 Big chances created
    +
    4 Key-Passes
    +
    1 Assist (Opta )
    +
    3 dribbles completed
    +
    1 Tackles won %
    +
    1 Slide Blocks won %
    +
    1 Headers Won %
    +
    4 winning the second Balls %
    +
    7 defensive covers



    0 defensive blocks
    0 interceptions
    0 clearances
     
  11. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


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    ..

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  12. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Anybody old enough to remember watching Maradona or anybody that saw him live will tell you he was the greatest football player the world has seen. Of course the problem is that everytime there is a vote on anything being 'the greatest of all time' people will almost always vote on the most recents or on people they've seen play personally. For somebody old enough to remember actually seeing Maradona play he is the greatest there has been...........but there isn't anybody on here that can tell you about Pele or Stanley Mathews etc so they get put into the bin of 'also rans' just like Messi and Ronaldo will in another 40 years or so.

    The greatest English player I've ever seen is Gascoine (perhaps Le Tissier), the greatest player I've ever seen play for my club was either Zola, Gullit or Hazard BUT in my lifetime the greatest player I have personally ever seen on this planet is Maradona.
     
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  13. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    counting since only 80's until 2026 the next january



    Maradona Diego



    in parts Yes

    He was simply the best I've seen also

    mainly for the 1986 World Cup

    and
    for the Coppa Italia 1986-1987 season

    But at overall, definitely not

    Maradona was very inconsistent and many ups and downs.


    I would choose other players !
     
  14. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    I mean


    after these competitions World Cup 1986 and Coppa-Italia ..1986-1987 season

    Diego never again had incredible performances of this high level or like this .
     
  15. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    He has became

    similar

    to the style of Ronaldinho Gaucho on the pitch

    he began to live off very very shorter flashes of genius !

    was An improved Ronaldinho Gaucho after 1986-1987 season




    i mean ... on 1987-1988 ... 1988-1989 ..... 1989-1990 ... 1990-1991 seasons !
     
  16. Frank73

    Frank73 Member

    Inter Milan
    Brazil
    Mar 22, 2025
    Italy
    May I ask you to elaborate on? What made Maradona the greatest ever in your opinion? Which traits? Which features and "figure of merits"? Which are the relevant aspects of the game that are of concern in your opinion to decide which player has been the goat?
     
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  17. Frank73

    Frank73 Member

    Inter Milan
    Brazil
    Mar 22, 2025
    Italy
    William, you know, the most famous italian football journalist Gianni Brera (though not the most competent according to some, for sure the finest in terms of quality of the prose, he deserved to be called a writer rather than a mere journalist) used to say, a bit tongue-in-cheek, that blonde and bearded players tended to overrated cause they were more visible on the pitch (at least in Italy, where blonde people are a minority). Jokes aside, to me that is true regarding left footed players. Their play end up looking always somewhat "different", rather unexpected and astonishing even when they are just the same as those of right footed ones, just mirror-flipped. Do you agree?
     
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  18. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    I was thinking of a joke of my own: "Glenn Stromberg dislikes this post!" haha....

    But actually I am not sure he was truly left footed (it came to my mind that he might be, but potentially he's instead a good option for 'weak foot' on the new thread of @spartacus7 ) - this PES stats page suggests not....
    Pes Miti del Calcio - View topic - Glenn STRÖMBERG 1981-1985
     
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  19. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    No,


    Professional football has a very very clear main objective " main Target " :

    to score more goals than the opponent to win the entire Matches as simple as that .




    main assets are


    1 .Finishing
    and Long Shots


    from being ambi-dextrous ................ Like the King Pelé , Ferenc Puskas , C. Ronaldo ....


    2. Passing Skills, Build-up and vision like Zico or Platini or Overath or Cruyff for example

    shorter Passes
    Killer Balls
    Plays one-twos
    Crossing
    Long Pass in speed
    shorter Pass in speed
    Passing Accuracy %
    LOng Range Balls
    Likes another Flank
    Long Pass

    from being ambi-dextrous



    3. to be very very complete in All the Attributes

    Mental Attributes
    Technical Attributes
    Tactical Awareness Attributes
    Physical Attributes
    and Skill cards " roulettes , croqueta , nutmegs , flip flop elastico etc..etc.."




    An example of this: Gullit .... Di Stefano .......... Beckenbauer

    It was Gullit.

    Gullit was a World Class Elite midfielder.

    He was a very very good offensive defender(Libero).

    He was a very very good attacker. ( Deep Lying Forward or Shadow Striker or Second Striker or Complete Forward or Center-Forward )



    as defender (libero )

    Gullit
    had
    all the physical attributes

    to reach the opponent's Six Yards Area Zone with extreme power and fresh Legs per 90 minutes played .

    running

    all the way there

    already at the end of the second half ... Gullit ....was there ..covering ...all the pitch ...105/68 meters ...Length ..and width .........or wide ..





    as Attacker ( Deep Lying Forward )


    Gullit provided defensive cover.

    per 90 minutes played + extra-time ..


    Gullit had the power to come all the way to the Six Yards Area Zone. Defensively also .

    to make clearances, last saves, defensive covers , defensive blocks , slide blocks, headers won %, tackles won % , interceptions ( anticipations ) and winning the second Balls " or rebounds " ..








    4. Anticipation, Decisions , composure , concentration , work rate , team-work and bravery . "!






    Gullit at Euro-Cup 1988............ 3-6-1 ....Rinus Michels's Tactical Approach "



    in the first half from these Matches .


    played as a Shadow Striker



    then

    in the start of the second half ..

    played as a right winger playmaker or right Mezzala " support "





    then

    already

    in the final of the matches ..


    Gullit played as a

    defensive Box to Box midfielder .............
     
  20. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

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  21. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
  22. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

     
  23. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    Zico playing in the current Barclays Premier League from England ..

    for Pep's Manchester City

    with super infra-structure 6 Stars
    with angel Referees
    with greater Football pitches
    with soft wet grass
    with greater team-mates



    Zico would be making how many Assists per english season for you my dear mate ????????????????
     
  24. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    for sure more than Kevin de Bruyne for you ????????
     
  25. Frank73

    Frank73 Member

    Inter Milan
    Brazil
    Mar 22, 2025
    Italy
    Zico would outscore Messi let alone KDB.
     
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