Was Maradona Overrated

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by Lincon18762, Dec 12, 2022.

  1. Prasenjit

    Prasenjit Member

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    Aug 25, 2025
    What is the 'strong' evidence that he did PED in.the WC 86? Some column from daily mail I guess.Fifa never claimed it..if you do not believe in fifa in this matter you must not believe in the 94 case too.it makes you consistent ,otherwise it is just a piece of your hypocrisy.
     
  2. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

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    #1177 carlito86, Oct 7, 2025
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    AFTER WORLD CUP 1986
    AFTER WORLD CUP 1986
    AFTER WORLD CUP 1986
    AFTER WORLD CUP 1986
    AFTER WORLD CUP 1986


    Luciano Moggi joined Napoli in 1987
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    Luciano Moggi Facts for Kids


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    1.)

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    Juve's 'Lucky' runs out | European club football | The Guardian


    2.)

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    The Daily Star Web Edition Vol. 4 Num 205


    3.)
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    Envy - part three | Football | The Guardian


    And the first time he was caught it was for cocaine and the very next time he was caught it was for PEDs


    And clearly, you’re struggling to distinguish between a filthy, corrupt anti-Semitic FIFA technocrat like Grondona and a highly qualified and distinguished medical specialist like Dr D’Hooghe who worked for FIFA for a period of his career
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    Football / World Cup USA '94: A god felled by his own hand: Ian Ridley traces the steps that led to the exit of a player of substance | The Independent | The Independent

    Michel D'Hooghe | UEFA.com

    I’ll be a corpse before I take your medical expertise above his
     
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  3. Prasenjit

    Prasenjit Member

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    Holding it as truth,it makes you a young fool.
    Well I thought they take the urine sample and not the penis itself for dope tests.with an artificial penis which sample of urine did they take? and it took 5 years for them to recognise the prosthetic penis..
     
  4. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

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    #1180 carlito86, Oct 8, 2025
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    The 1993 doping deal

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    Aussies deny deal over 1993 doping tests | FOX Sports



    The Australians deny it but both Maradona and Grondona openly admitted there was an agreement. They doped and without the absence of screening tests, the Argentine national team would never have qualified for the 1994 World Cup.


    It’s as clear as day. The fact that Paranjeet is still denying it, despite his idol openly admitting to using performance enhancing drugs says everything about the depth of his delusion.
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    Delusional doesn’t even begin to scratch the surface of it.

    Grondona,Blatter and havelange double crossed him only when their own skin was on the line
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    BLATTER’S TRUTH: Havelange wanted to hush up Maradona’s World Cup dope test | KeirRadnedge.com


    And as the old adage goes
    There is no honour among thieves

    And as I say
    why sink down with a crackhead?
     
  5. aerez

    aerez Member+

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    I've been reading this guys carlitos86 posts for well over a year and I have come to the factual conclusion of 100% accuracy is that he is a: grade A+ 100% prime clown :ROFLMAO:

    The way he tries to come off as factually relevant and quote wikpedia, stats, snippets, google synopsis and finds from the internet is hilarious. He actually thinks he's smart and intelligent
     
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  6. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

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    Are you mentally deficient? Who on earth ever claimed they remove your penis for a doping test?


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    At this point I’m placing you on a one month ban from communicating with me.
     
  7. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

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    #1183 carlito86, Oct 8, 2025
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    Welcome aboard fan

    I never knew you existed until now :thumbsup:


    Must be quite the spectacle watching me dismantle your idol with a single fingertip.

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    Sorry i overestimated you(calling you my fan you don’t qualify)

    1983 reps since 2006 and you have never left a Pro Argentine/Maradona/Messi thread
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    I wasn’t even 10 years old

    GTFO:laugh:
     
  8. aerez

    aerez Member+

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  9. Prasenjit

    Prasenjit Member

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  10. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

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    Dear nobody

    When the substance can’t be challenged all that is left is emojis

    If you think I need ChatGPT to convince me that a man who raped,assaulted,doped cheated,flirted with and praised terrorists then you need a reality check

    And talking about reality checks

    Let’s bring it back to your very first sentence
    Fu*king embarrassing like really embarrassing :ROFLMAO:

    I wasn’t even 10 years old when you joined this forum

    So let’s just be frank
    You are a fan

    Some could say a stalker but I’ll just be nice and say you are a fan

    But truth be told I wouldn’t recognise you from the lamppost outside my house.

    Anyways please keep it coming
    It wouldn’t be a real funeral without Maradona’s fanboys carrying the casket.
     
  11. aerez

    aerez Member+

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    #1187 aerez, Oct 8, 2025
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    You know what the funny thing was, he started listing stuff that happened after 1995 when maradona was coked out of his mind and absolutely destructive the rest of his life.

    Listing stuff after 1990. Like most of us don't know those things.
    He's trying to present it as gotcha moments :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

    EDIT: I have him on ignore, but he's calling me a stalker because I read his posts casually. Buddy, I just glance at his posts and read them casually. That make me a stalker according to him.

    LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:


    I'm going this guy has major autism to keep this up
    Peace Prasenjit! Be cool bro :thumbsup: Don't let mental cases detract your thought process
     
  12. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

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    #1188 carlito86, Oct 8, 2025
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    You take from the same page as your idol

    When the pressure is on you lie and you fold
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    Let me know when you enter your guilty plea by the way


    Pransenjeet is on the naughty step, reflecting on his life choices(he can’t help you)

    He actually entertained the notion that doping agencies take your penis during drug tests.
     
  13. aerez

    aerez Member+

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    He doesn't understand the concept of reading posts casually for a year, like most normal people do on these forums and that you can see people's posts when you are not logged in

    This guy is so ********ing dumb, I can't believe he's literally a 30 year old incel :ROFLMAO:
     
  14. Frank73

    Frank73 Member

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    Mar 22, 2025
    Italy
    Maybe, but surely not an obsessed blinded religious fanatic worshipping a fake idol like you.
     
  15. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

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    #1191 carlito86, Oct 8, 2025
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    Funny how the word ‘casually’ only appears now, after i casually exposed you as my fan.

    Only a bonafide idiot casually reads another idiots posts for well over a year

    You have been hovering around here since the very day Zinedine Zidane headbutted marco materazzi
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    Perhaps it’s time you headbutted the wall, woke the f*ck up, and came to the realization that 2k reps since 2006 and casually reading an idiot’s posts for well over a year is an absolutely pathetic state of existence for a borderline pensioner.




    The ignore button also doesn’t seem to be working for you fan

    Maradona fans are all alike it seems
    They shout
    they cry
    they post emojis
    They lie
    They defend the indefensible
    but they never call you a liar

    Newsflash
    Your countries favourite son was a scumbag
    Live with it even though he lives no more.

    Redemption?
    What the f*ck is that

    His pope told him to get the f*ck out of here
    Pope Francis' controversial comments on Messi and Maradona: Diego failed as a man


     
  16. Prasenjit

    Prasenjit Member

    Barcelona
    Argentina
    Aug 25, 2025
    Carlite,your whole team was a scumbag too when they when they won their sole world cup fraudulently.or at best you can reduce it to Geoff Hurst being a cheat.
     
  17. Prasenjit

    Prasenjit Member

    Barcelona
    Argentina
    Aug 25, 2025
    Your false penis theory is so bluffy and amusing that it seems a story made up for cows and lambs to understand,not human beings.even Einstein would have shown white flag.at this stage you seem to be mentally inefficient and not myself.
     
  18. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

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    #1194 carlito86, Oct 8, 2025
    Last edited: Oct 8, 2025

    Geoff Hurst did not do this




    And Geoff hurst did NOT do this


    Knowing you of course you will attempt to rationalise the first video of him blatantly assaulting a woman by saying one of the following

    • “The footage is not clear”
    • “He was drunk so it’s ok”
    • “He barely hit her”
    • “He was defending himself”
    • “She shouted first”
    • “Maybe she enjoyed it”
    • “It’s normal to discipline your girlfriend”
    • “The light was too dim so Maradona maybe never saw her”

    Whatever

    This second video is pure kryptonite for you and anyone else who defends him.

    It’s why I post it, and why I will continue to post it.


    I know Paranjeet, where your true allegiances lie.Trust me I know


    But you can’t be seen on this or any other forum defending it, or you will be banned and immediately blacklisted.

    So you can’t defend it because you are a 100% coward, unlike your coked up idol who could get away with doing or saying anything.

    But you will ignore it because it’s too heavy to address head on.
    Not by choice but by necessity

    Moving on

    There isn’t a single suggestion in the public record that Geoff Hurst ever doped at any point in his career let alone doing so systematically.


    • He did not handball several times throughout his career(let alone getting away with it).
    • He did not smuggle and distribute Class A drugs.
    • He did not rape and falsely imprison women and girls
    • He did not threaten journalists who gave him bad match ratings

    He did not beat up a 15 year old school boy (most likely if not definitely a fan) and get away with it

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    WORLD CUP '90 : It's Now or Never for Maradona Today : Soccer: Billed as the world's best player, he must prove himself if Argentina is to stay alive in tournament. - Los Angeles Times

    That 15 year old fan could’ve been you
    And if it were you, I guarantee you’d claim that Diego Maradona didn’t hit you and that it was just a massage.



    Geoff hurst scored one goal that very arguably did not cross the line

    And you are talking to the wrong person if you actually thought that I care about football that was played in 1960s.


    But the record must be set straight
    Facts are facts and you have never told the truth except accidentally.


    The fact that you still think that I am labelling Diego Maradona a scumbag for scoring one handball goal against England just goes to show that you either have attention span of a termite or the moral compass of a barbarian.
     
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  19. Prasenjit

    Prasenjit Member

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    Huge piece of rant.you have clearly said maradona was a fraud and cheat for the hand goal against England.i'm saying in the same line that Geoff Hurst was cheat too.nothing more.i have no interest if you care about football in the 60's.
     
  20. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

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    It was displayed in a museum in the country you believe you’re from.
    A police force was dispatched to retrieve it after it was stolen
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    The only ‘theory’ here is that you are a human instead of a bot

    What a fu*king idiot



    Penes falsos con orina 'limpia' | Deportes | EL PAÍS
     
  21. Prasenjit

    Prasenjit Member

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    Argentina
    Aug 25, 2025
    Another pathological news from a British tabloid.if it is that easy to dope and get away everyone would do so.and maradona did it in random matches and forgot doing so in the biggest stage,when he tried to take revenge on FIFA by having PEDs in wc 94.sounds like some old film story.
     
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  22. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

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    I think enough time has been wasted.


    You’ve burned your only remaining bridge here with Frank73 by calling him an old, foolish man.


    He was the only poster besides me willing to entertain your gibberish.


    Adios Prasenjeet.

    Or to be more precise… Alvida.

    :thumbsup:
     
  23. Prasenjit

    Prasenjit Member

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    Argentina
    Aug 25, 2025
    Not having an answer anymore?I sensed you breaking down when you called me ********ing idiot.seems you do not have much gas left in the tank, except a lot of gas in your tummy that you are emitting loudly at the moment,with no less bad odour.:notworthy::ROFLMAO:
    If you are at home, i sincerely hope and pray for good health of your family members. Ta ta..
     
  24. carlito86

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    #1200 carlito86, Oct 8, 2025
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    The source isn’t the British media
    That’s where your misunderstanding begins.

    It comes directly from the Argentine police themselves.
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    The British press were simply the first to break the story


    It was Corrado Ferlaino Napoli’s president at the time who stated that Luciano Moggi supplied Diego Maradona with a prosthetic device to help him evade drug tests.
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    Juve's 'Lucky' runs out | European club football | The Guardian


    So no this isn’t some fabricated story dreamt up by a “lying tabloid.” Their reporting was based on testimony from the very man who paid Maradona’s salary.


    And if you’re going to dismiss The Guardian as unreliable you might want to know that this supposedly lying tabloid was named the best online newspaper in the world during that same period
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    Guardian scoops best online newspaper prize | National newspapers | The Guardian

    The real issue here isn’t the credibility of the sources it’s your complete inability to engage with them.

    Even though you may think it is, the press in this country isn’t a paid government mouthpiece masquerading as journalism

    But the same can’t be said elsewhere.
    India ranks 151 in World Press Freedom Index, report raises alarm over media monopoly


    I also linked you a video where Mike Tyson, the heavyweight champion of the world during the same era Maradona played openly admitted to using the exact same method to bypass drug testing.
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    Mike Tyson: I was a full blown cokehead | Boxing News | ESPN.co.uk

    And this is how they did it



    As for why Diego Maradona was eventually caught perhaps he felt untouchable by 1994. This was after all a man facing ongoing drug smuggling charges who was still allowed to play in the World Cup.


    The most plausible explanation is that Maradona didn’t bother with concealment measures in the USA because Julio Grondona assured him he could dope without consequence.
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    As influential as Luciano Moggi was in Italian domestic football his power did not match that of Grondona.

    Moggi’s reach could help Diego Maradona circumvent drug tests using unethical methods but he lacked the authority to halt the screenings entirely.


    Maradona likely assumed that protection given by Grondona extended to the World Cup itself. But he miscalculated.

    Cutting deals with the Australian Football Federation is one thing.
    Aussies deny deal over 1993 doping tests | FOX Sports
    Trying to do the same on American soil is a totally different thing.

    The 1994 World Cup was too valuable to the USA to allow any scandal to tarnish it.
    Let alone for the sake of a completely reckless degenerate crackhead.
     

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