Was Maradona Overrated

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  1. carlito86

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    “A few days before the wedding, a newspaper reported that the car that would take Maradona from his house to the church was an ancient Rolls-Royce Phantom III collector’s car


    According to the newspaper, that Rolls-Royce had been confiscated and used by Joseph Goebbels, the Nazi propaganda minister. Maradona would have gone to his wedding sitting in the same seat that had once been occupied by one of the highest-ranking figures of Nazism”
    WORLD CUP '90 : Maradona Still Casts Tall Soccer Shadow - Los Angeles Times

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    Two months after 9/11

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    Buenos Aires Journal; Home From Cuba, Soccer Star Kicks Some Shins - The New York Times
    Maradona se disfrazó de talibán y de Bin Laden - AS.com
     
  2. carlito86

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  4. Prasenjit

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    Some did not succeed in getting acknowledged but you know their allegation are true without proper proof?how?are you a higher authority than judiciaries,or you are a massive authority in such cases..words from your mouth are enough.
     
  5. Frank73

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    Man, RELAX. I did not want to asses legal responsibilities of Maradaona. I was just reporting circumstances that are very well known in Italy and contributed significantly to shape the "character" Maradona. As I told you, these circumstances were covered by media and discussed by people with a quite "light" attitude, mostly making irony out of it. My messages were similarly informal. You are making a legal case study out of it.
     
  6. carlito86

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    32.)
    Threatening a journalist who gave him a bad match rating
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    Diego Maradona: Argentina, Napoli star's player vs person renown - Sports Illustrated Vault | SI.com
     
  7. carlito86

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    @Isaías Silva Serafim @SayWhatIWant @Frank73 @PDG1978

    33.)

    Maradona the cartel boss/Drug baron


    The reality is a lot darker than anyone could’ve possibly imagined
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    After the fall: The World Cup dream is over for Diego Maradona, but there may be worse to come - a little matter of pounds 500,000-worth of smuggled cocaine, and the Naples mafia. Paul Greengrass and Toby Follett report | The Independent | The Independent


    The terrorist,Rapist,drug fiend,drug baron,Woman beater,doper,cheating,enemy of free speech freak


    The biggest lie ever told is that Maradona was a poor soul who handballed against England and sniffed lines of cocaine


    And he was protected by FIFA
    It is there in black and white from their own official spokesman

    This is the same FIFA who he accused of colluding with the mafia to sway the result of the 1990 WC final against West Germany
    Maradona: Mafia fixed World Cup - UPI Archives


    And all the while he was orchestrating shipments of cocaine with the mafia
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    Fu*king hypocrite

    The most protected player in football history
     
  8. carlito86

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    The fat fu*k Julio Grondona speaking even more explicitly about this protection in 1994

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    After the fall: The World Cup dream is over for Diego Maradona, but there may be worse to come - a little matter of pounds 500,000-worth of smuggled cocaine, and the Naples mafia. Paul Greengrass and Toby Follett report | The Independent | The Independent

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    Fifa claim Julio Grondona authorised $10m payments to Jack Warner and Chuck Blazer | Fifa | The Guardian

    Swiss banker admits paying millions in bribes to Fifa executive Julio Grondona | Fifa | The Guardian

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    The only thing that saved Maradona and Grondona from a jail cell was their coffin
    Every dog has its day unless the dog dies too early
     
  9. carlito86

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  10. Prasenjit

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    Come on Carlitti, 39 years have passed since the sole reason of all of your maradona phobia took place.Fifa was protective of maradona( not too sure) till 86,and since then it started opposing him bit strangely.whatever the reasons,even past greats such as Pele and others started commenting like 'maradona is a shameless cheat' or similar things.but two things can give you a little peace and they are as follows:
    1> diego is dead so try to keep thinking about that. and you might get atleast some mental parity.also 2> England were not winning the world cup even without the handball.not a chance.and they won't ever win the WC.thus think less and worry less.
     
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  11. Frank73

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    It is true that Argentina was dominant from the beginning to the end in WC86, I have been myself completely under this impression. But that does not make neither a moral nor a technical excuse to Maradona behavior. Football is the team sport with least scoring and thus the most prone to an overturn of on-paper values. The one where sudden random circumstances can definitely disrupt everything in a completely unpredictable way. Brazil 82 lost to Italy due to amnesiac, non-provoked and unprecedented bloopers by world class players that nullified the clear, undisputable playing supremacy of their team. Italy 90 lost to Argentina due to an amnesiac mistake by a world class goalkeeper (Zenga), and a few very unlucky play outcomes. No matter how good you appear you are not winner until you score on goal more. And you have to score a regular goal, otherwise you are a fraud, irrespectively of the history of the game or the tournament.
     
  12. Tropeiro

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    Maradona's 86 being overrated is a total madness! He isn't only leading his team in ball progression and G/A output, but also putting legendaries performances in eye-test, showing his vastly levels of resources. 1985 his performances in that year are up there as well! Overall, he was the best player in the world around 1985-1988.
     
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  14. Isaías Silva Serafim

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    It's overrated not only because of his illegal goals but his two most iconic performances were against a weak England who classified in second in a group with Poland, Morocco and Portugal, and I don't even need to talk about Belgium 1986. When he took a really strong team like West Germany in the final he weren't half the player he were in the 2 prior games. Burruchaga were far better than him in the final
     
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  15. Frank73

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    @Prasenjit
    It is you the one that resorted to excuses. It is you that said "England was never going to win" to absolve Maradona from the handball goal fraud. And he was not the only one to be fouled all the time in the the early eighties. It happened to several players, Reinaldo and Ze Sergio, two players that many had predicted a superstar future to, saw their career ruined by violent defenders who would hit them constantly since when they were not yet 20. But they never blatantly cheated or made use of use cocaine. Violent defenders were the standard back them. All the skilled attacking players had to endure fouls. Maradona suffered more than many other, but he would also often go in search of them. His typical play was a penetration shoulder against shoulder to foster a faul. Other players would try a pass instead.
     
  16. Frank73

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    Best player 1985-1987. No doubt Gullit outdid him season 1987-88. No one that has a good knowledge of that serie A season would doubt it.
     
  17. Tropeiro

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    Interesting.
     
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  18. carlito86

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    Diego Maradona was allegedly the best player in 1985 even though Guerin Sportivo had Michel Platini way ahead
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    Guerin Sportivo - Wikipedia

    And no doubt the reason for this is that Michel Platini 84/85 did his damage against the best teams in Europe and also won the European Cup as the MVP of the tournament

    Diego Maradona 84/85 did his damage against the worst teams in Serie A

    Diego Maradona in Serie A 1984/85 vs teams ranked 1st-10th
    3 goals


    Diego Maradona in Serie A 1984/85 vs teams ranked 11th to 16th
    11 goals

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    Diego Maradona was allegedly the best player in 1987 even though Ruud Gullit finished way ahead of him in the 1987 World soccer player of the year award(look at the % of votes)
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    Even though Walter Zenga was voted Serie A player of the year in 1986/87
    Italy - Footballer of the Year

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    Even though Diego Maradona was the 3rd highest rated player on his own team in Serie A 1986/87 according to DBS calcio
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    Even though he wasn’t the top scorer in Serie A 1986/87 or even close to it
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    And when you deduct penalties it was even worse
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    Even though Diego Maradona wasn’t the top assister in Serie A 1986/87 or even close to it

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    And just for the record Roberto Mancini was a 22 year old in Serie A 1986/87 playing for a 6th placed Sampdoria
    Mancini 86/87 produced over 3x as many assists as Maradona in Serie A 86/87
    3x FFS


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    Even though Diego Maradona wasn’t even the most fouled player in Serie A 1986/87

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    Marco pacione in Serie A 1986/87
    5.65 fouls won per 90

    Marco Pacione - Stats 86/87 | Transfermarkt



    Giuseppe incocciati in Serie A 1986/87
    5.21 fouls won per 90

    Giuseppe Incocciati - Detailed stats | Transfermarkt



    Nicola berti in Serie A 1986/87
    4.95 fouls won per 90

    Nicola Berti - Detailed stats | Transfermarkt




    Diego Maradona in Serie A 1986/87
    4.87 fouls won per 90

    Diego Maradona - Stats 86/87 | Transfermarkt




    Gianluca Vialli in Serie A 1986/87
    4.80 fouls won per 90

    Gianluca Vialli - Stats 86/87 | Transfermarkt




    Roberto Donadoni in Serie A 1986/87
    4.27 fouls won per 90

    Roberto Donadoni - Stats 86/87 | Transfermarkt
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    The only fact here is that Diego Maradona was the best player in the 1986 World Cup

    with his blatant cheating
    The hand of God - Wikipedia

    and with his fake ‘goal of the century’

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    There is 0% chance that Diego Maradona was perceived as the best player in 1988
    That was an international tournament year and absolutely nobody would outrank a Dutchman.

    To suggest otherwise is just pure revisionism of the highest order
     
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  19. Prasenjit

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    What proof you have that they never fouled or handballed intentionally i.e cheat blatantly.i have youtube proof of pele trying to use his hand (cheating) to score a goal..on 2 occasions.most people try it,but many don't succeed and refrees catch them most of the time.'England were not winning the world cup' was not an excuse,i made some fun with Carlutti.not that hard to understand.your ad hominem is old and not of much use.
     
  20. Frank73

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    Find me examples of
    Cruijff
    Zico
    Platini
    Baggio
    Gullit
    Van Basten
    Romario
    Careca
    Socrates
    Falcao
    Hagi
    Batistuta
    trying to score an handball. Find me evidences of alleged use of cocaine (bar Cruijff, who admitted making use of dopants).

    My argument MAY look ad-hominem only to the those that don't have knowledge of 80s football. Fact is Maradona was THE ONLY ONE player to cheat blatantly and routinely.
     
  21. carlito86

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    Facts

    But you are still too kind and too diplomatic

    He was a diver

    The image of Diego Maradona riding tackles like some kind of Superman belongs on a 5 minute YouTube highlight reel or in a marvel comic book

    Even his most educated fan agreed that Diego Maradona was as a diver
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    At Napoli he was constantly seeking fouls,freekicks and penalties because he was absolutely shit from open play

    Today we are left with paranjeet

    Who worships a beast he doesn’t even know anything about.
     
  22. Prasenjit

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    Cocaine is not a PED you old fool. I have the proof of pele,the goat,your pride and idol,an untouchable player and man for many sick brazilians,,never called a fraud for literally the same thing maradona did.that is a stark and dark example of the bias against diego and glorifying Pele like an angel or deity.
     
  23. carlito86

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    Doping in the 1960s and 1970s
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    Dodging dozens of Anti doping/drugs tests in the 1980s

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    Doping in the 1990s

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    FBI Records: The Vault — Diego Maradona Part 01 (Final)

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    Football / World Cup USA '94: A god felled by his own hand: Ian Ridley traces the steps that led to the exit of a player of substance | The Independent | The Independent


    Maradona was not a cheater because he took cocaine


    He was cheater because(amongst many other things)
    1. He took performance enhancing drugs when he was a child
    2. He dodged dozens of Anti doping tests during his peak
    3. He was caught red handed in 1994 and even Grondona’s protection couldn’t stretch this far


    What strikes me as ironic is your deification of the doping scumbag Diego Maradona

    Ironic because I came across this :ROFLMAO:
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    India's doping woes: WADA numbers show India has highest positivity rate among major countries - The Hindu

    I will keep this in mind every single time you attempt to rationalise his doping record.
     
  24. Frank73

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    1) Cocaine IS a PED. It is still searched for in antidoping tests. Its use is tolerated up to the day before that a sport event.
    Ask your doctor: cocaine gives you a boost of performance and resistance to fatigue for a timeframe similar to that a football match.
    2) Pele in not my idol. I know a little about him indeed. I could never become fond of pre 1975 football. Cruijff is on the border line.
    3) I wrote "cocaine" for the sake of brevity. Maradona made use of tens of different PEDs.
    4) and most important: I am not old, I am 52 years young. I am ready to challenge you on the football pitch. Bring an abacus with you: it is going to be a Gullit vs Maradona 1988.
     
  25. carlito86

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    Not to defend Prasenjit but he is accidentally correct in this ongoing debate with you.


    Cocaine is indeed an illegal banned substance, but it wasn’t used to enhance Maradona’s performance.

    Eduardo Henrique de Rose In 1991
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    Sports medicine expert doubts Maradona used cocaine to boost performance - UPI Archives

    That said, this is entirely irrelevant to my main argument.

    People often get confused when they reduce Maradona to “just a recreational drug user.”


    Maradona hid behind the narrative of being “just a recreational drug user,” using it as a shield to deflect criticism, downplay his misconduct, and distract from the far more serious instances of performance enhancing drug use that defined much of his career.


    Bullshit quotes like this feed into the narrative
    Maradona: I’d have been even better if I didn’t take drugs | Forza Italian Football



    Taking cocaine makes him a coke fiend
    Selling/transporting shipments of it makes him a international dealer
    None of the above make him a cheat as a footballer


    What makes him a football cheat amongst many other things is that Maradona did use performance enhancing substances. There’s strong evidence suggesting he was on PEDs after the 1986 World Cup.
    The fact that he was artificially enhanced as a child, dodged virtually every post match doping test at Napoli, and was ultimately caught in 1994 with PEDs in his system is more than enough.


    Maradona’s record is already disgraceful so there’s no need to pile on further. He provides enough material for condemnation on his own.
    These rats can’t be given any holes to escape from
     

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