Was Maradona Overrated

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by Lincon18762, Dec 12, 2022.

  1. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    1960s Pelé > 1980s Diego Maradona

    1960s Eusebio > 1980s Marco Van basten

    1960s Ferenc Puskas > 1980s Zico

    1960s Alfredo Di Stefano = 1980s Michel Platini

    1960s Bobby Charlton > 1980s Lothar matthaus

    1960s Gianni Rivera > 1980s Ruud Gullit

    1960s Jimmy greaves > 1980s Gary linekar

    1960s Luis Suarez > 1980s Enzo scifo

    1960s Gianluigi Riva > 1980s Rudi Voller

    1960s Dragan dzajic > 1980s Paulo Futre

    1960s George best > 1980s Bruno Conti

    1960s Uwe Seeler > 1980s Paolo Rossi

    1960s Denis law > 1980s Kenny dalglish

    1960s Garrincha > 1980s John Barnes

    1960s Tostao < 1980s Gheorge Hagi

    1960s Hamrin > 1980s Pierre Littbarski

    1960s Omar sivori > 1980s Karl Heinz Rummenigge
     
  2. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    You're not responding because you know I'm right. The magnitude by which the raw G+A number varies is much greater than the magnitude by which the contribution percentage varies. What does this mean? That the percentage changes little, while the raw G+A number changes a lot. What does this show? That the percentage is closer to a hypothetical reality. Why? Because a real and perfect indicator would be one that remains the same regardless of the player’s context. In other words, the perfect indicator would be one that tells me Messi is the same player at Eibar as he is at Barcelona. No statistic can do that perfectly, but the contribution percentage gets closer to achieving it.
     
  3. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Reread and try to respond to what the sentence is asking. I said,
    'Do you think it’s realistic or possible that the best players from the 1960s were twice as good as the best players from the 1980s?' TWICE AS GOOD. Do you understand the problem? There could be some players from the '60s who are better than some from the '80s and vice versa—I’m not questioning that.
    The problem is that 'If you look at the raw G+A numbers, you’d conclude that the players from the 1960s are twice as good as those from the 1980s. Which is very far from being something that represents reality.'
    'Obviously, the most logical, reasonable, and probable explanation is that they’re equivalent.' And when you look at the contribution percentages, you realize they are equivalent. The correct answer is that the players from the '80s are equivalent to those from the '60s, meaning I’m closer to the truth.
     
  4. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Twice as good in certain aspects for sure



    Pelés weaker foot was twice as good as Diego Maradonas
    His ability to head the ball was twice as good
    His ability to strike the ball in open play from out the box was twice as good as Diego Maradonas

    He was a killer in big games in a way that Diego Maradona absolutely never was

    Pelé was The difference maker not the one who piggy banked off the clutch scoring ability of others

    The “assisters” in the pre modern era were the silent hero’s (and they should remain silent)


    There is also no evidence anywhere that when Pelé was in his peak that he struggled for consistency within his absolute peak seasons or that he was outshone by his own teammates over the course of a season.


    This doesn’t exist anywhere for Pelé
    It does for Diego Maradona


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  5. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    Gullit vs Rivera ...

    Gullit was much better than Gianni Rivera easily ...


    Gullit was a pure Total Footballer

    Rivera was more
    technically brilliant than Gullit



    But Professional Football


    [​IMG]


    has

    Mental Attributes
    Physical Attributes
    Technical Attributes
    Skills Attributes
    Tactical Attributes
    Effectiveness



    The most complete Player Of All Time..


    All these attributes weigh heavily on the scales.



    Tostão was better than Hagi too
     
  6. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    yes All argentinian Players that played with both at the same time they are saying Pelé always





    Alfredo Di Stefano : Pelé
    Enrique Omar Sivori : Pelé and Diego Maradona was like me a skillful player but no totally a complete player like Pelé was in All Attributes even Di Stefano and Cruyff surpassing Diego too .
    Perfumo : Pelé
    Gatti : Pelé
    Bochini : Pelé
    Cesar Menotti : Pelé
    Maradona as a Player : Pelé
    etc... etc.etc..
     
  7. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    Ruud Gullit

    641 matches
    236 Goals
    240 Assists



    vs


    Gianni Rivera

    744 matches
    184 goals
    239 Assists
     
  8. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
    For me
    1960s Pelé > 1980s Diego Maradona yes easily Pelé

    1960s Eusebio ===== 1980s Marco Van basten Draw

    1960s Ferenc Puskas >= 1980s Zico ...Ferenc Puskas abit better ... because Zico had
    consistency alot without Injuries is like Neymar Jr ..right now abit


    1960s Alfredo Di Stefano = 1980s Michel Platini is harder this Fight ...

    1960s Bobby Charlton >== 1980s Lothar matthaus Draw Charlton was slightly better than Matthaus ..but Matthaus ..is stronger too

    1980s Ruud Gullit > Gianni Rivera ... easily

    1960s Jimmy greaves ==== 1980s Gary lineker Draw

    1960s Luis Suarez > 1980s Enzo scifo

    1960s Gianluigi Riva > 1980s Rudi Voller

    1960s Dragan dzajic >= 1980s Paulo Futre

    1960s George best >= 1980s Bruno Conti

    1960s Uwe Seeler ===== 1980s Paolo Rossi Draw but i prefer Paolo Rossi

    1960s Denis law ====== 1980s Kenny dalglish Draw but i prefer Kenny Dalglish

    1960s Garrincha >>>>>>>>> 1980s John Barnes

    1960s Tostao > 1980s Gheorge Hagi

    1980s Pierre Littbarski > Hamrin 60's

    1960s Omar sivori >== 1980s Karl Heinz Rummenigge slightly better Sivori ...
     
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  9. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    What is the method for you


    more ++ fair to evaluate Athletes ??????
     
  10. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

     
  11. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    80s 90's 00's Gheorge Hagi > Alex de Souza 90's 00's 10's
     
  12. Praasen

    Praasen Member

    Mohun bagan
    Argentina
    Jan 8, 2023
    Anyway your post was baseless, null and void.
     
  13. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024



    What are The main Attributes do you admire most in Diego Maradona's Style to play Football ...



    For me



    Corners
    Crossing
    Dribbling
    First Touch
    Heading Accuracy
    Long Shots
    Shot Technique
    Passing
    technique
    Ball control Skills
    Aggression
    Bravery
    Composure
    Determination
    Flair
    Leadership
    Long Range Balls
    Curve
    BodyBalance
    Agility
    Acceleration
    Place Shots



    and for you ?????
     
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  14. Praasen

    Praasen Member

    Mohun bagan
    Argentina
    Jan 8, 2023
    I don't buy this gigantic assist number,there is no credible source like opta.
     
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  15. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    Cruyff Opta 358 Assists
    Maradona ...Opta 202 Assists .. !
     
  16. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    well is your vision about Football .... What you think so Is valid or is not Valid ...


    well ... it's your Human rights ..is everything alright for me .
     
  17. Praasen

    Praasen Member

    Mohun bagan
    Argentina
    Jan 8, 2023
    Everything except shot power, and at times slowness.
     
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  18. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    yes ... I saw this ...also ... mainly .. 1987-88 season ahead too ... 1988-89... 1989-90 ...1990-91 ...


    before sometimes he shoots much more stronger .... had more Stamina , Endurance, Natural Power, BodyBalance , Sprint Speed ..Vertical actions and Natural Fitness ....
     
  19. Praasen

    Praasen Member

    Mohun bagan
    Argentina
    Jan 8, 2023
    There i
    There are video evidences available for maradona's assists for napoli, boca, sevilla and barcelona(nearly all assists) and for argentina.only not available are argentinos juniors assists..but sources claim it's just 40 (opta assists) in a lot of matches(in 167 matches).how many of cruyff's assists exist in videos?
     
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  20. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    yes is easier to find this Praasen !


    Feyenoord 1983-84
    are 18 Assists Opta on Eredivisie

    has the videos on Internet


    Ajax 1982-83
    Ajax 1981-82

    PuckvanHeel did it the videos Of Assists from those seasons ..


    before..

    Ajax has Official Reports on the Club Official Site ...


    60's
    70's

    there's alot Of Assists .;;
     
  21. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    is easy to find out this ..dear mate !
     
  22. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    PuckvanHeel did it Cruyff Assists in USA MajorLeagueSoccer ..
     
  23. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    Maradona is 202 Opta Assists !
     
  24. Praasen

    Praasen Member

    Mohun bagan
    Argentina
    Jan 8, 2023
    Can you guarantee the credibility of these ratings? No one can.also i suppose they were bit biased towards italian players because they dominated the chart nearly every season.i think they rated diffenders highly too,especially italian ones.
     
  25. Praasen

    Praasen Member

    Mohun bagan
    Argentina
    Jan 8, 2023
    I know..and cruyff at most was not more than 250-300.
     

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