Was Maradona Overrated

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  1. Praasen

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    Mohun bagan
    Argentina
    Jan 8, 2023
    Very interesting post.has cristiano played against more 'world class' teams or just these 8 in total?
     
  2. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #802 carlito86, Jan 9, 2025
    Last edited: Jan 9, 2025
    Diego Maradona in the European Cup and UEFA Cup(all games)
    0 non penalty goals in 25 appearances

    Diego Maradona - Record | Transfermarkt
    Diego Maradona - Record | Transfermarkt


    Today in European football they ask if you can be considered a great player or a great team if you haven’t won the champions league.

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    https://www.skysports.com/amp/footb...t-we-need-to-win-champions-league-to-be-great

    What would they say about the player who hasn’t even scored in the champions league or UEFA Cup?

    Too many bonus points are awarded for a solo goal against the English

    In our era this was just the news of the day


    That Bayern Munich would slaughter any international team that existed in 1986
     
  3. Praasen

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    Mohun bagan
    Argentina
    Jan 8, 2023
    Hello...he scored 2 against ujpest
     
  4. Praasen

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    Mohun bagan
    Argentina
    Jan 8, 2023
    I doubt if you are human or robot? You are programmed with a non penalty goal software to repeat it million times without failure.
     
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  5. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024



    Honestly, in other words


    Carlito 86 and Isaias are trying to tell you that they see Maradona in general being an improved Ronaldinho Gaucho and more +++ complete than Ronaldinho Gaucho in mental attributes mainly

    as

    Bravery
    Determination
    Mental Aggression
    Vertical Aggression
    Composure
    Leadership
    Off the Ball
    Positioning
    Decision Making
    Decisions_making-Power
    in Big Finals behavior
    Defensive Job

    Most of these
    Attributes mentioned Ronaldinho Gaucho was really weaker and limited

    well Open Plays Goals is a professional game metric..Just is One Possible Metric ..

    but there are
    ++++ more 50 Metrics at Least to always check...the numbers





    well ... Pelé ...Messi and C.Ronaldo ... i'm including too Puskas and Di Stefano are

    much more above than Diego is ....


    they are another level already ...onthe professional Football ..


    C. Ronaldo will be 1000 goals Oficials in competitions .. in all career ..

    the first to reach this Mark at all !!!
     
  6. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    you have a good memory too !
     
  7. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
  8. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid

    Serie A?
     
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  9. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    for example ...

    friendlies ...

    when the Teams are in the First Division at that age ...

    Teams from the First Division ...in friendlies ..matches ..


    por example ..


    Real Madrid 5 x 3 Santos FC Pelé's team


    1 Goal by Puskas
    1 Goal By Pelé
    1 Assist by Pelé ...to Coutinho ..
    4 Assists by Di Stefano ...




    Best Goalscorers All-Time (All Matches - Top level)
    NB: preliminary list containing:

    1. Official goals in top level;
    2. All international friendlies;
    3. National friendlies against top-league teams; tournaments; select matches.

    Pele 770 396 108 1274
    Bican, Josef 743 195 143 1081
    Puskas, Ferenc 761 179 71 1011
     
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  10. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    you're right First Division i mean hahaha !
     
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  11. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
  12. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    yes ... I Know this Carlito 86 ! .. i said ...C. Ronaldo the first to reach this in a official way ...


    Greater Mark at all "!
     
  13. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    I saw too much entire Matches Of Edson Arantes Pelé ... I know really Pelé ...playing the him Style ...
     
  14. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Going by these rules it’s not even Pelé at the top it’s some German dude

    IMG_0096.jpeg

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin_Helmchen

    According to Bican it is Bican
    IMG_0097.jpeg

    Personally If I can’t see it then it doesn’t exist.

    Real footage of course and not computer simulation
     
  15. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    You mean the goals existed Carlito, you just can't make any judgement on how good you think they were.

    If that 1959 goal was (as many seemed to think, including Pele himself apparently) more impressive than the goal vs Bahia in 1961 (from 1:11), or his goal vs Sweden in 1958 which seems indeed a more minimal goal but with similarity, then it was surely genuinely really good - maybe it would look better in real life even...
     
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  16. Praasen

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    Mohun bagan
    Argentina
    Jan 8, 2023
    As good as yours :p
     
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  17. Praasen

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    Mohun bagan
    Argentina
    Jan 8, 2023
    I thought pele has 767 official goals lol..ronaldo and messi both have past it albeit in more matches.
     
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  18. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    really was an Amazing Vertical Aggression there against Bahia in1959 i guess ...
     
  19. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
    in 1961 .. i guess ..
     
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  20. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    yes ... 819 matches ... 757 goals ... 489 Assists .. Pelé numbers ..
     
  21. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    I'm not considering Maradona at his 'peak' here. I'm looking at all matches where his team scored 3+ goals, so this represents an 'average' Maradona generating those numbers.

    It's true that Maradona had poor longevity, but the specific circumstances of his career and the era largely determined that outcome. You can't just say that if Maradona played today, he would be an overweight, drug-addicted troublemaker.

    Players today are much more professional, train harder, eat better, and have access to significantly better medical care. Additionally, if we consider the fact that the game today is less violent, a player like Maradona—receiving fewer fouls and sustaining fewer injuries—would be far superior compared to the Maradona of the 80s.

    As for his relationships with teammates, I don’t think Maradona was a troublemaker. All his former teammates state that he was one of the best leaders and teammates they ever had. Maradona was extremely generous and motivating with his teammates—probably one of the greatest leaders in football history.

    So, we really can’t know for sure, but I can confidently say that playing today would make it much easier for him to maintain excellent physical and mental condition.

    These stats reflect Maradona's real numbers from 1978 to 1987—a full decade in which he maintained a 61% goal involvement for his team, only surpassed by Pelé.

    I think that’s called consistency
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  22. Isaías Silva Serafim

    Real Madrid
    Brazil
    Dec 2, 2021
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Daniel Passarella disagree with this
     
  23. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    It's true, but conflicts of that type, which occur between two people, are a matter of egos, and the responsibility is shared. In general, there are many stories of Maradona being extremely generous and motivating with his teammates, especially those who weren’t performing as well. He also didn’t like feeling that he had privileges over others and did everything possible to just be one of the group. It’s as if Maradona cared deeply about maintaining a motivated and positive group. Without a doubt, he worked hard in that regard, certainly more than players like Pelé, Messi, or Cristiano did.
     
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