Was Maradona Overrated

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  1. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    well ;;; honestly ... don't see more nothing .. on SofaScore
     
  2. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
    well is sad at all !
     
  3. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    I think those numbers are also for key passes/chances (not big chances) created, to be honest mate.

    But in some of the games those players have many more than 3 of course.
     
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  4. comme

    comme Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 21, 2003
    They use Opta data (potentially alongside other sources for other things). The head of data at Opta confirmed to me.

    As I understand it, the data has evolved over time to include different things and some people use different bits that are available for different purposes.

    Edit: Big chances are a subjective judgement made by someone at Opta based on certain factors.
     
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  5. Al Gabiru

    Al Gabiru Member

    Jan 28, 2020
    #605 Al Gabiru, Aug 9, 2024
    Last edited: Aug 9, 2024
    Opta definitions



    0:15, 1:10, 3:54

    I'm a skeptic of sofascore's ratings and I think that opta can make mistakes in their data collection, because there are a lot of interpretative moves. But apparently, according to opta's definition, Ronaldinho made 3 key passes in that game.

    You can argue, "but the shot was blocked" or the "pass was for a shot from outside the area". Well, that's their definition. That goes for Ronaldinho, Messi, Maradona, Gullit etc. Everyone gets key passes for blocked shots. I think they try to differentiate with key passes and big chances created;
     
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  6. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    yes ... i saw these lances .... already many many times .. .... plays without none dangerous ....

    that's it ...


    so

    SofaScore has to change of Decisive Passes

    the definition there to key passes ...
     
  7. Tropeiro

    Tropeiro Member+

    Jun 1, 2018
    We have Ronaldinho's biggest hater in the forum now! lol
     
  8. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024








    https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3garde







    well .... don't see more anything on SofaScore






    .... well to watch the whole matches ...


    later you talk to me ...

    if was justice ;;;


    Ronaldinho with 7.2



    Ruud Gullit 6.6
     
  9. SayWhatIWant

    SayWhatIWant Member+

    Jan 10, 2015
    Agreed
     
  10. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024





    hater are you crazy man ???


    Ronaldinho Gaucho

    813 matches
    300 goals
    232 assists ...





    vs



    Edson Arantes Pelé


    819 matches
    767 goals
    487 assists ..





    Pelé =================
    abyss >>>>>>>>>>> much better than Ronaldinho light years





    Where that has hate within ???
     
  11. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024



    3: 54 ... Robinho passes to the Ronaldo Nazario
     
  12. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024








    go to minutes ...: 1 , 36 , 00 hrs and minutes ......


    Robinho pass to Ronaldo Nazario ... are you drunk already ?????
     
  13. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    do you agree ???



    but Robinho pass to the Ronaldo Nazario 3: 54...
     
  14. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024



    Gullit and Maradona

    was much more big chances created ... as criteria .... not key passes !


    you are wrong here again !
     
  15. Al Gabiru

    Al Gabiru Member

    Jan 28, 2020
    You're right about Robinho's pass. The third key pass is at 1:26:10

    The key pass criterion is the same for Ronaldinho, Gullit, Maradona, Messi, Cr7 etc
     
  16. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024




    you already saw the 27 big chances created by Diego Armando Maradona


    were chances .... very very very clears than these of Ronaldinho ..


    and very very very very much more dangerous ..as well ... ?????
     
  17. Al Gabiru

    Al Gabiru Member

    Jan 28, 2020
    I don't agree with all the sofascore ratings. I've criticized them in other threads. But I don't know their algorithm, the weight they give to each criterion

    But the data collection seems correct
     
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  18. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024





    What's your own note ...of Ronaldinho against FRance 2006 ????






    honestly ;;; 7.2 it is impossible for sure !
     
  19. SayWhatIWant

    SayWhatIWant Member+

    Jan 10, 2015
    I agree with the notion that the statistics reported by Opta are not absolute truth, and that interpretation on the basis of the subjective application of subjectively selected operational definitions should be done with that in mind. Don't get me started on SofaScore which I hold to be absolute rubbish and a disgrace in football discussions
     
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  20. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    for example ....


    Fifa reports on Ronaldinho in 2006


    without duels won on entire World Cup 2006


    Floor duels won
    11 (5)
    disarm 1



    at maximum he won ( 1) duels won ...



    https://www.google.com/search?q=mar...ate=ive&vld=cid:3e878740,vid:HCFXxI7t0Jk,st:0
     
  21. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    me too !
     
  22. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    yes i prefer as Big chances created than ... key decisive (ghosts ) passes !
     
  23. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
  24. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024



    honestly ... yesterday .... i realize that Carlito 86 .... he does the ratings on SofaScore for sure hahahahahaha ...

    was scary !
     
  25. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    Go away man !
     

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