yes ....Argentinos juniors was runners up from Argentina .... in 1980 ... won Copa San Martin de Torres against Boca Juniors ... 5 x 3 ... 4 goals of Diego Maradona . !!
I haven't compared anyone at all. The speech I made is very simple, I talked about players capable of raising the level of the whole team thanks to their overflowing personality. Krol did it and Maradona did it, it's you who started making senseless comparisons between trophies won.
You miss the point entirely this guy Praasen claims maradona missed many matches at Barcelona therefore we can’t and we shouldn’t hold it against him that FC Barcelona weren’t successful in the league with him. i say If one of the major reasons Diego Maradona missed several matches was because of his reckless behaviour outside the pitch then we should absolutely hold it against him. What you do outside of the pitch(generally speaking) shouldn’t have an impact on how we evaluate you for what you do on the pitch. On this I totally agree(we can talk about exceptions like proven cases of pedophillia,Zoophillia,Rape,murder etc) In a nutshell this is how I see it If professionalism,longevity and being a older player who is still the protagonist behind major titles is seen as positive Then recklessness and stupidity that causes you to miss games that directly impacts your teams chances of winning titles is absolutely a negative. And if you do this when you are in your physical prime with still alot to prove in the game you are even more stupid. This isn’t even Ronaldinho 2006 He reached the top(won everything) then partied his career away Maradona had 0 major trophies by the time he left Barcelona(1984) 0 Major league titles,continental cups(CL,Copa libertadores,UEFA cup),0 major NT trophies etc that is a player with still alot to prove but he was acting like that and somehow I should sympathise with him That is a joke
I see you continue to insist with this useless comparison between trophies and I answer you again that Krol played in a different Napoli, had different competition and a different age than Diego. We were talking about players capable of making a difference even mentally, who transmitted a winning mentality thanks to their leadership and this is what both Diego and Krol did. You probably want me to say that Diego performed a sporting miracle by winning in Naples but that's not the case, two years earlier Verona won a championship and didn't have Maradona.
Dont put words in my mouth.i can't remember me saying it was a sporting miracle,,but it was a commendable achievement for sure.so without any comparisons,,the point stays. krol=moral lifting,, diego = trophy lifting
You are not only a hater but a liar too..maradona had a bout of hepatitis in barca that made him miss matches.hundreds of websites would support this 'fact' and we can make a poll here such as 'did maradona suffered hepatitis in 1982really?' then i am sure i would strip you complletely naked.
that is why he missed matches(his first season) That is a negative(something that goes against him when discussing his merits as a footballer which isn’t strictly limited to talent but also availability) especially when we know the immediate history of FC Barcelona after he leaves Barcelona won La liga 1984/85(they never did with Maradona) Barcelona in la liga 1984/85 also scored more goals and conceded less goals then they ever did with Diego Maradona This is literally right after he leaves Accusing Pelé of being gay then threatening to strip me completely naked. interesting This debate is going in a very weird(kinky) direction and you refuse to concede on anything. You bring toninho into this and then run away. You deny that Maradona missed important games for FC Barcelona because of his own actions(hepatitis isn’t contracted by eating candy) If you look at those average Serie A ratings (1982-1987) They put Maradona first with 6.64 Passarella 2nd with 6.61 I think I’ve talked enough about the Argentine centre back who outscored Diego Maradona what I didn’t mention was passarella was 33 years old in 1985/86 and Maradona was 26 years old
Also so strange that people like you with such hatred for an atg player continue in such a big forum for years without getting moderated.
Hepatitis comes from water mainly,it is not a STD which i think fools like you get into believing.moreover, if maradona was having cocaine and orgy parties with hepatitis still in his liver,he wouldn't have survived even one night ,rather died right in december 1982. It's a form of jaundice..and i had jaundice once without snorting coke or having sex.
You, with your personal insults, certainly deserve to be moderated but @comme is a "complete historian", not a complete moderator.
As far as I'm concerned, I've never said that Maradona hasn't accomplished great things in football, I recognize his greatness and what he did for Argentina and also for Napoli but I can't stand those who want to make people believe that it was a unique case in the history of football. Many results are commendable. For example, winning 3 or 5 consecutive Champions Cups or winning the championship with a team second to last in the table, winning the championship with Leicester or Verona, winning the European Championship with Greece or Denmark, winning the first trophy in history Frenchman scoring 9 goals in a European Championship. Why should winning with an excellent Napoli be superior to all these results? Why did Maradona play? Krol has no moral victory and the Napoli fans themselves say that that team with a few more quality players would have won the championship, because Krol ALONE was leading them to this triumph.
“Closest of all to Maradona was Jorge Cyterszpiler, a childhood friend who was now his agent. Still in his early twenties himself, Cyterszpiler organised commercial deals with Coca-Cola, McDonalds and Agfa. A company called Maradona Productions began filming A Life of Maradona, which Cyterszpiler planned to distribute worldwide in 12 languages. The ideal start ended in December 1982, when Maradona fell ill and spent 12 weeks holed up in his mansion, with the media outside. There were two versions of the problem. Barca said he was suffering from viral hepatitis, while widespread rumours said gonorrhoea. The rumours were linked to stories of Maradona and his ‘clan’ enjoying the nightlife in the Catalan capital. These were hedonistic times, post-Franco, and the city centre had a seedy side far from the tourist-friendly theme park it can seem today. Maradona later said himself that he first tried cocaine when in Barcelona. Team-mates and clan members have always denied knowledge of any drug taking, saying Diego’s partying was fueled by “whisky-cola”. He was even asked by city mayor Pascual Maragall to appear in an anti-drug campaign with the slogan, ‘Enjoy Life, Drugs Kill’. = the circumstantial evidence is heavily weighed against him but you want to blame it on drinking water? He was who he was and I don’t care but since we are discussing his merits as a footballer then we should also explore why Barcelona was immediately successful after his departure If it is connected to his of-field shenanigans then he deserves to be criticised for that. if I can put it bluntly No footballer I am aware of has been elevated to such heights based on what ifs and pure mythology One part of the mythology is that he singlehandedly propelled his team to trophies That is being dealt with by others the other part of the mythology is that he joined or left teams who were incapable of winning titles without his input That is a lie and the only example that is presented is Napoli during the professional playing career of Maradona Argentine won before him(1978) won with him(1986) and won after him/when he was banned(1991 and 1993) Barcelona 1984/85 is a prime example of why that is also lie Boca juniors 1978 is also another example of why that is completely false hopefully we can reach a stage where Maradona is judged purely and solely on the merits of his professional career It’s good and it’s bad to reach that stage the mythology will have to be brutally dismantled beforehand
People who believe in rumours leaving documented, authorized fact are generally uneducated..thus i don't want to waste more time with such people.
It's a shame that I never compared Krol to Maradona for the trophies won but only for the impact they had on the Italian club. Comparing them by trophies won makes no sense and I have already explained why several times, so I won't repeat myself again. You can repeat as many times as you want that Maradona won and Krol didn't but you know well that the situations were different.
Maradona at Boca Riquelme at Boca Maradona at Barcelona Bernd Schuster at Barcelona look at the immediate history before and after Maradona
for you ??? would you put in Top 10 the whole History of the Football ??? Top 10 for you and tell me Why ???
Come on .... Maradona is better than Ronaldinho Gaucho easily .... Maradona 680 matches 345 goals 239 assists 0, 50 % goals 0, 35 % assists pre-assists ... Maradona has more too !! vs Ronaldinho Gaucho 813 matches 301 goals 232 assists ( including penalties suffered by own Ronaldinho ) 0, 36 % goals 0, 28 % assists the numbers Of Ronaldinho it is worst than Roberto Baggio ... Ruud Gullit ( was defender sometimes) ...Ronald Koeman ....( defender sometimes ).... Rivaldo ....Thierry Henry .... Daniel Passarella .... Del Piero ... equal ...=== Francesco Totti or Dennis Bergkamp the numbers of Ronaldinho Francesco Totti 316 goals 0, 37 % 233 assists 0, 27 % Titles of Uefa Champions League as in 2006 are collectives ... are team's Title I saw the whole career of both Players !!!