War, Day 14

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  1. obie

    obie New Member

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    New day, new thread.
     
  2. obie

    obie New Member

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  3. GringoTex

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    OK, I can understand Rummy letting the troops run out of such items as food, water, and a line of fresh prostitutes. But nicotine?


    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...20030401/ap_on_re_mi_ea/war_desperate_dippers

    IN CENTRAL IRAQ - There is a war on, and danger lurks ahead, and the Marines of the 3rd Battalion, 7th Infantry are getting desperate — for tobacco.

    It's been two weeks since they left they relative luxury of their camp in Kuwait and their supplies of cigarettes and chewing tobacco are running out. They are rationing their precious supplies, and even begging smokes from local farmers.

    An army, Napoleon reputedly said, marches on its stomach. But for generations, armies have also marched on nicotine. And these Marines — smoking more than usual under the stress of battle conditions — are getting antsy.

    "It just crushes morale," said Cpl. Jonathan Kibler, 22, of Lexington, Va.

    With the few remaining shreds of tobacco nearly gone, the Marines here face the prospect of being involuntarily enrolled in what could be one of the most successful programs to end nicotine addiction in history.
     
  4. superdave

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    some good news today

    The Marines had an easy time advancing. Also, I thought I saw an article at nytimes.com saying the Brits felt safe in Basra and had traded their helmets for berets, but when I went back there to copy the link for here, I couldn't find it. Anyway, if I wasn't hallucinating, that's a hopeful sign for the coming occupation. It won't come easy, but we can win the hearts and mind.

    obie, according to all of the discussion in the "Blair's mistake" thread, yes, Bush is going back on his word.
     
  5. Richth76

    Richth76 New Member

    Jul 22, 1999
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    Did anyone think "Operation Predicted Cakewalk" would last this long? Maybe that's why they're running out of smokes?
     
  6. Chicago1871

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    Apr 21, 2001
    Yes and no. I thought that 'Operation: Massive Propoganda' aka 'Operation: Iraqi Freedom' would be at least a month long battle plus whatever time it takes for cleanup and political installation.
     
  7. Tea Men Tom

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    Feb 14, 2001
    Stories are out there saying one of Saddam's main body guards, who's always with him, has been seen without him, also that it's believed several of his relatives have left Iraq for Syria. Plus Saddam still has not been seen publicly.

    I'm wondering if the end of the actual war may be in sight, though the parmilitary issue may be a problem long after the war ends.
     
  8. Dante

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    Anyone who seriously thought it would take under a month is off their rocker. This isn't the first Gulf War where we bombed them for weeks before we started the ground war, this is totally different.

    A lot of people are confusing the two and it's wrong. Gulf War I was about removing Iraq from Kuwait. We weren't there to invade Iraq like we are now. We weren't meant to go the depths that we have. It's a totally different war.
     
  9. OtakuFC

    OtakuFC New Member

    Apr 13, 2000
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    Re: some good news today

    This article doesn't mention them doing that in Basra, but it does say that in four other towns in southern Iraq the British are donning berets instead of helmets. It also mentions that Iraqis are helping the Coalition forces find the locations of the Iraqi troops. http://www.news-journal.com/news/content/news/ap_story.html/Intl/AP.V3534.AP-War-Tipping-Poi.html
     
  10. Sardinia

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    US-British bombings kill 48 more civilians south of Baghdad

    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...u=/afp/20030401/ts_afp/iraq_war_raid_civilian

    HILLA, Iraq (AFP) - Forty-eight more civilians, including women and children, have been killed and 310 wounded in US-British bombings around this town south of Baghdad in the last 24 hours, a hospital director revealed

    The deaths brought to 73 the number of Iraqi civilians who have died under allied bombings since Monday.

    Thirty-three civilians, including women and children, were killed and 310 wounded in a coalition bombing on the southern province of Babylon on Tuesday morning, a hospital director said.

    Murtada Abbas said the bombing targeted the Nader residential area at the southern outskirts of the farming town of Hilla, 80 kilometres (50 miles) south of the capital.

    He was speaking at the Hilla hospital where a large number of children lay wounded under blankets on the floor due to a shortage of beds.

    At the scene of the bombing, dozens of what seemed to be parts of cluster bombs equipped with small parachutes were peppered over a large area, an AFP correspondent at the site said.


    Images in the "USA invades Iraq pics" thread.
     
  11. Dante

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    So now we're targeting residential areas huh?

    I remain a bit skeptical about these particular reports.
     
  12. obie

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    Re: Re: some good news today

    So the British are supporting the French now?

    Let us remember for a moment where the British troops are -- in southeastern Iraq, where the Shi'ite majority has a history of anti-Saddam action. This is the place where the coalition is supposed to have it easy.

    NPR also had the story of Iraq again denying that Saddam is dead, and/or that he has left the country. They also said that the US Senate was taking up the $75 billion war appropriation today, and was expected to tack on an additional $2 billion in airline industry bailout money.
     
  13. obie

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    Saddam to address the Iraqi people at 8 pm Baghdad time (12 noon EST, 9 am PST) today.

    Let's see if he brings newspapers or says anything remotely related to current events.
     
  14. Tea Men Tom

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  15. obie

    obie New Member

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    No Saddam appearance, just a "statement" from his info minister. So no idea if he's alive or dead, in Iraq or somewhere else.
     
  16. superdave

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    So, when are guys like Cheney going to be sent off to mental institutions?
     
  17. OtakuFC

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    Re: Re: Re: some good news today

    If they give Jerry Lewis a Victoria Cross, then we'll have to worry. ;)

    True. But, this is a sign that things are getting better in terms of relations between the Iraqi civilians and the coalition forces in this part of Iraq. I agree that in the other areas of Iraq, except for the north, things will be more difficult.
     
  18. Dante

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    Dunno, but I don't take him serious anyways. He lives in la la land.
     
  19. SoFla Metro

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    Jul 21, 2000
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    La La Land, where Donald Rumsfeld is Mayor and Sheriff.
     
  20. Chicago1871

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    Apr 21, 2001
    And where Dubya is President...
     
  21. Scoey

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    Oct 1, 1999
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    I loved the touch at the end, where he gave the date. As if the world freaking cares if the information minister is alive. Either Saddam is incapacitated or he is playing cat and mouse. Does anybody know how often he gave addresses during Gulf War I? I seem to remember that it was pretty often. What does he stand to gain by keeping the world guessing? Maybe he's trying to pull a Willis Reed...
     
  22. obie

    obie New Member

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    There's no clear advantage one way or another to Iraq if we knew for sure Saddam's status. If he is proven dead, it could end the war. If he is proven alive, the hunt for him would intensify.

    It's like the OBL situation -- better to keep the coalition guessing than give anything away.
     
  23. obie

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  24. GringoTex

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    Rumsfeld said the Iraqi regime is guilty of human rights abuses the likes of which the world has never seen?!?
     

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