War Day 13

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  1. obie

    obie New Member

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  2. Tea Men Tom

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    Feb 14, 2001
    Of course Baghdad residents are still loyal to Saddam. His crew still controls the city.
     
  3. Garcia

    Garcia Member

    Dec 14, 1999
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    Basra seems to have an underground chemical plant full with chems, chem suits and tunnels. No wonder they have been defending it so much. Details soon, we hope.

    Let us not forget how these chemical weapons are stored. In fact, actual weapons might not be found. Iraq seems to store chemicals and the storage "facility" could very well be a mobile unit, like a semitruck. They make weapons (weaponize the chemicals?) as needed.

    The facilites they find will show evidence, and maybe not actual weapons.
     
  4. OtakuFC

    OtakuFC New Member

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  5. joseph pakovits

    joseph pakovits New Member

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    Re: Re: War Day 13

    Is that the same semi that was driving around the American western states a month ago?

    I know, maybe the Iraqis have stored their WMDs on a "death ship"!
     
  6. Garcia

    Garcia Member

    Dec 14, 1999
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    Kill the messenger!

    I thought NPR was one of those "good" sources?
    Oh yea, the reporter should have said, "Iraq has this mobile chemical storage truck...die muthafuckas!"
     
  7. obie

    obie New Member

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    Re: Re: War Day 13

    I think we need to put an end to this "protective suits = evidence of WMD" bullshit. Our troops have the same protective equipment, but it doesn't mean that we have chemical weapons in the MidEast just waiting to be used.
     
  8. Tea Men Tom

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    Feb 14, 2001
    Which is exactly why we think they do = evidence of WMD. Why waste the money on suits if they know we don't have bio or chemical weapons?
     
  9. obie

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    Because they're just as paranoid of the US using such weapons on Iraq as we are of them using WMD on us. You'd be hard-pressed to find any well-equipped army on the planet that doesn't have protective suits like these.

    Chemicals, lab equipment, written recipes -- those are evidence. Protective suits are not.
     
  10. joseph pakovits

    joseph pakovits New Member

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    Who says we don't?

    Anyway, does the fact that the Iraqis have helmets to protect their troops automatically "prove" that they were planning to invade us? The fact is that only a moron would send his troops into battle without full gear for every conceivable situation.

    If Saddam REALLY wanted to screw Bush over, he'd have already destroyed whatever WMDs he may still have. It would be extremely embarrassing for the Bushies if after the shooting stops no WMDs are found. Given that, politically speaking, Iraqi WMDs must be found, I have no doubts they will be "found" regardless of what Saddam has done. It's best that real Iraqi WMDs be found authentically, of course, and there's every chance that this will happen but given the stakes involved, I have no doubts that the Bush team would pull a LAPD and plant some if they can't find any on their own.
     
  11. dawgpound2

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    Mar 3, 2001
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    I have no doubt you'll spew this when we do find WMD.
     
  12. joseph pakovits

    joseph pakovits New Member

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    Reading Is Fundamental

    Tell me, what part of "It's best that real Iraqi WMDs be found authentically, of course, and there's every chance that this will happen" did you not understand? I deliberately tried to keep that phrase as monosyllabic as possible for people like you, ya know.
     
  13. Tea Men Tom

    Tea Men Tom Member+

    Feb 14, 2001
    If he had done this, just think of how many Iraqi lives he would have saved -- including possibly his own.
     
  14. obie

    obie New Member

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    Joe's framed this whole thing correctly -- we are going to find something, it's just a question of what, how much, and whether or not we had to plant it.

    Do I think Iraq has some WMD programs? Yes.

    Do I think that we will find them? Probably.

    Do I think that we would place our own WMD in Iraq to make our point if we cannot find them? Yes. And that answer wouldn't change if even a socialist was President right now.
     
  15. joseph pakovits

    joseph pakovits New Member

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    How? Bush would still have invaded on some pretext or other.
     
  16. joseph pakovits

    joseph pakovits New Member

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    Exactly. Whether you're Clinton or Bush or Nader, if you start a war justified by your enemy having WMDs, you'd damn well better turn up some WMDs after the shooting stops. Period.

    That's the political reality operating now. To not recognize this would be extremely naive.
     
  17. joseph pakovits

    joseph pakovits New Member

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    Re: Iraq gets nasty

    Comedy gold!
     
  18. Sardinia

    Sardinia New Member

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    Three British soldiers sent home after protesting at civilian deaths

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,925984,00.html

    Three British soldiers in Iraq have been ordered home after objecting to the conduct of the war. It is understood they have been sent home for protesting that the war is killing innocent civilians.

    (...)

    But it is understood that the three soldiers have been sent home for complaining about the way the war is being fought and the growing danger to civilians.

    It is also causing concern to British military chiefs who are worried about growing evidence of civilians being killed in fighting involving American soldiers around urban areas in southern Iraq.

     
  19. Tea Men Tom

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    Feb 14, 2001
    Doubtful. I don't think he could have because public opinion would not have been with him.
     
  20. obie

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    ... But you're forgetting that the Admin has been setting the public up for this for several months in an effort to get opinion polls on the pro-war side regardless of what happens.

    In March 2002 Bush was quoted as saying "Fuck Saddam, we're taking him out". They then spent the next year telling people lots of terrible things about Saddam, some of which were true (yes, he killed lots of Kurds -- he can get in line with the Turks on that one) and some of which were not (no, we have no evidence linking Saddam to 9/11). If inspectors found flowers and bunnies in Iraq, they would have been spun to sound like really ugly flowers and really dangerous bunnies.

    Franks admitted last week that this has been an Admin in search of an reason to carry out Bush's "vision" for at least a year, which is irrefutable at this point even if you agree with the war.
     
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  23. btousley

    btousley New Member

    Jul 12, 1999
    Arnett was a dirtbag before - and remains that way.

    Many have said that the chem/bio was with the Republican guard and is within a 60 mile radius of Baghdad.

    Who cares about the market? The market hates uncertainty.


    Of course Iraqi citizens are loyal to Saddam - you would be too with a gun in the back of your daughter. And the press does not have free rein in roaming around Baghdad.

    Most important point of the day : the 4th ID is starting to arrive and unload.
     
  24. BenReilly

    BenReilly New Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    Yet there is no doubt whatsoever that Saddam had WMDs. Whether we find them or not is a different issue.
     

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