Virgin plans oil refinery

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by Ian McCracken, Sep 13, 2005.

  1. Ian McCracken

    Ian McCracken Member

    May 28, 1999
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    Sorry...not that kind of virgin, but Virgin Airlines owner Richard Branson. It's high time new refineries were built in the US, although reading the article it doesn't appear all that likely to occur here.

    Virgin plans oil refinery
    From: Reuters By Deepa Babington in New York
    September 14, 2005

    THINK you are upset about high gas prices? Maverick British entrepreneur Richard Branson is so furious he wants to build his own oil refinery.

    Like the rest of the airline industry, Mr Branson's Virgin Atlantic Airways has been stung by higher jet fuel prices and was forced to raise fuel surcharges for the second time in four months.

    Hurricane Katrina sent oil prices soaring to $US70 a barrel because it shut several US Gulf Coast refineries, which turn crude oil into products like diesel, gasoline and jet fuel.

    "If we don't start now to get more refineries built then fuel prices could literally rocket to $US100-$US200 (per barrel of oil) and the world economy would come to a grinding halt," Branson said in an interview on financial news network CNBC overnight.

    Mr Branson did not say where he wants to put his refinery, but some analysts said he should not look to the US, where no one has built a refinery in 29 years.

    "My immediate reaction to that is: Not in the US," said Paul Flemming, oil analyst at Energy Security Analysis Inc. "That's definitely more pie in the sky than anything."

    In the US, getting a permit could involve years of navigating local, state, and federal regulations and protests from environmental and community groups, analysts say.
     
  2. Scarecrow

    Scarecrow Red Card

    Feb 13, 2004
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    It would be great if he did invest in a refinery, I would also like to see him invest in alternate fuel as well, with a long term investment frame of mind.
     
  3. IntheNet

    IntheNet New Member

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    Since this is Branson, I am surprised, shocked actually, that he isn't going into the natural gas business... more profit in natural gas than oil...and more off-shore gas platforms are being installed... the oil business has a lot of upstart speculators while natural gas seems a better bet!
     
  4. DamonEsquire

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  5. DoyleG

    DoyleG Member+

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    A couple of days ago they had the head of Air Canada talking that each $1 increase in oil cost them huge amounts of money.

    Although I forget the actual number, it was at least $20 Million.
     
  6. Coach_McGuirk

    Coach_McGuirk New Member

    Apr 30, 2002
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    This is the part of the story that makes me queasy. One of the major issues in this country is our desperate need for more refineries, specifically refineries that can handle "sour" crude that is more readily available.
     
  7. BillQ

    BillQ New Member

    Oct 11, 1999
    Chicago, IL
    Being he owns an airline, I am sure he wants a chance to get cheaper fuel prices for his business.
     
  8. Scarecrow

    Scarecrow Red Card

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    Maybe if enough of these people get together they will find a better cleaner fuel solution?
     
  9. billyireland

    billyireland Member+

    May 4, 2003
    Sydney, Australia
    Damnit, I haven't seen a virgin getting oil-pumped since that time I parted ways since €30.
     
  10. DoyleG

    DoyleG Member+

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    Are you sure that's oil ?
     
  11. billyireland

    billyireland Member+

    May 4, 2003
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    Man oil, yes.

    Couldn't tell you whether it was crude or not, though.
     
  12. DoyleG

    DoyleG Member+

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    How can you tell?
     
  13. billyireland

    billyireland Member+

    May 4, 2003
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    Refined oil pumps easier - more fluidly - I've been told.
     
  14. Chicago1871

    Chicago1871 Member

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    No offense ITN, but Branson knows how to make money. If he's going into a certain area, I'm willing to be he knows he can make a tidy profit.
     
  15. IntheNet

    IntheNet New Member

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  16. Chicago1871

    Chicago1871 Member

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  17. CrewDust

    CrewDust Member

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    Perhaps he could put it in the Virgin Islands. Or he could just buy an Island and put it there.
     
  18. Revolt

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    I can understand how refineries aren't being built in places like California or New Jersey, but why aren't they being built in Texas or Alabama or Louisiana? Mexico is always an option.
     
  19. Smiley321

    Smiley321 Member

    Apr 21, 2002
    Concord, Ca
    Google Arizona Clean Fuels, there's a car dealer in Phoenix who has been trying for 15 years to get a refinery built in Arizona, using all sorts of different crude/product combinations

    here's one reason why investors aren't jumping on it, no matter what you do there's the impossible to placate nimbys. The investors must reckon that their $2 billion is better used elsewhere.
    http://www.refineryreform.org/spotlight_yuma_az.html
     
  20. Revolt

    Revolt Member+

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    Arizona seems an ulikely location to build a refinery. Don't you want to build the refinery as close as possible to where the oil is located?
     
  21. Smiley321

    Smiley321 Member

    Apr 21, 2002
    Concord, Ca
    Last time I looked, in the late 90's, the scheme was to use an empty crude pipeline going from the central valley of California to El Paso. Cheap but dirty crude, low transportation cost, and convert it into gasoline, diesel and jet fuel for the local users.

    Now it looks like they're proposing some sort of pipeline from Mexico, that seems more expensive and dubious.

    The fact is that they're competing with refineries that have very low capital charges, they're all paid off and held together with duct tape. The returns from a brand new $2.5 billion clean and spiffy refinery don't get investors very excited.
     

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