Victory Giving Up On Season???

Discussion in 'California Victory' started by ohhh_yeah, Jul 26, 2007.

  1. SL Benfiquista

    Feb 11, 2006
    San Leandro, CA
    Wiki is not the most reliable source of info. I can go in there right now and change it back to Piterman.

    In terms of someone else buying the club, here's the problem: They would need to assume the debt of the team, which I'm guessing would be a huge headache. It would probably be cheaper to let them die and then just buy the franchise rights and start over with no liability from the former owners.

    Unless USL cuts somebody a real sweet deal, the Vics franchise probably won't carry on. But that doesn't mean pro soccer in the city is dead.
     
  2. SSF Soccer

    SSF Soccer Member

    May 2, 2007
    South San Francisco
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There is quite a bit to digest on this thread...some of it is true, some of it is a little bit off base,..and even more is strictly rumor and gossip. There is much to be said and done about this teams future, while it may look bleak now..there is still a light burning. Let the rumors fly, makes for good interaction amongst the forum...but in all fairness, how about turning that energy into an effort to show up at Kezar on Saturday, and let the players know how much we all appreciate the effort despite what is going on. After this week...I would say it was quite an accomplishment to fly east and pull out 3 pts from a team your battling with for position in the table. It doesn't matter how many games they have in hand...you still need to beat them to give yourself the chance, and that they did. Now they come home, and a little TLC from the faithful would be the best cure all. There still will be gloom and doom, and negativity, and speculation, and of course more rumors..but for the here and now....SUPPORT THE TEAM.
     
  3. sko16

    sko16 New Member

    May 2, 2007
    Israel
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Israel
    Finally Mike! Now: I know some of this is hush hush. But PLEASE, clear up some of the more important stuff about the team:
    1) Will we make it to the end of the season?
    2) What happened to all those players?
    3) What can we do to help?
     
  4. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well the Wiki entry doesn't mean anything. Someone just added that without putting any references so they could have just been assuming Piterman is out. (I say that because I know the guy who made that particular edit and he was just assuming ;) ). Piterman may very well still own the Victory.
     
  5. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Anyone know how much the club has lost this year?
     
  6. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Take a look at how many teams have been in USL 1 over the last 20 years.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USL_First_Division

    USL for all it's benefit and good it does for soccer, is a rather "bush" league. Teams come and go like shoppers from a Kmart.
     
  7. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The franchise was awarded to Piterman in May 2006, before Lew Wolff's option with MLS was announced. The word at that time was that they were looking at the South Bay, thinking that MLS was gone for good. They turned to San Francisco once they realized Wolff was serious.

    Quote from article by Dylan Hernandez, Mercury News, May 18, 2006:

    Wolff's agreement with MLS was announced May 24.
     
  8. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wow, this is news to me. I had no idea they were considering themselves a Quakes replacement initially. It must've hit them hard when Wolff purchased his option. And even more so now that he's exercised it.
     
  9. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    And yet they still survive!
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  10. FunkFlex61

    FunkFlex61 New Member

    Oct 22, 2004
    This is false. Piterman owns this team, he has full control now that Alaves is out of the picture. Alaves wants nothing to do with the club because they have enough problems of their own.
     
  11. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Do you have a link that backs that information up? If so go on to Wikipedia and post it and change the info back to Piterman.
     
  12. SSF Soccer

    SSF Soccer Member

    May 2, 2007
    South San Francisco
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes...we WILL finish the season, some players are injured and probably would not have made it back anyway, a few others left of their own choice, a couple were not getting many minutes so they became a numbers crunch, and of course Josh wound up with the opportunity to go north, so he did. As to what you can do to help?....continue to come and support the team for the 4 remaining home games...and down the road there will be time for discussion with everyone for what course of action we have available to us. For now, as I said before, let the talk be what it may....but SUPPORT THE TEAM
     
  13. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Its pretty difficult to continue to support a team that will cease to exist....We have experience with that......
     
  14. FunkFlex61

    FunkFlex61 New Member

    Oct 22, 2004
    There is no link, its fact, u dont have to believe me, but if u ask around and talk to the right people, you will see its true. Who do you think is paying, or not paying for this team??? Like I said, Alaves has NOTHING to do with the Vics anymore.
     
  15. DavidP

    DavidP Member

    Mar 21, 1999
    Powder Springs, GA
    The Ruckus' first season was 1995.
     
  16. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    And were renamed in 1997 right?
     
  17. SSF Soccer

    SSF Soccer Member

    May 2, 2007
    South San Francisco
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I understand that, and I can see your point, however....if your passionate about it, then you won't give up until all options have been tried. Not easy since this area has been burnt before, but, deep down inside, you still have hope for the best, all not give up without a fight. At least we know where we stand NOW...and there is still time to react and try, instead of the plug pulled later with no time available to attempt anything. Just trying to put a positive swing to things.
     
  18. DavidP

    DavidP Member

    Mar 21, 1999
    Powder Springs, GA
    No, that was 1999. Well, sort of; they began the '98 season still named the Ruckus, then became "A-League Atlanta" after the league pulled the franchise rights from the previous owner. John Lathem and Bob Glustrom bought the team just after the middle of the season, and announced the new name sometime around the last home game of the season. In truth, the Ruckus/Silverbacks were more or less an extension of the Atlanta Magic who played in the USISL up to 1994; the original Ruckus owner was the owner of the Magic.
     
  19. BoriQa

    BoriQa New Member

    May 26, 2007
    Ajax, Canada
    Club:
    Puerto Rico Islanders
    Crosstable by points of teams vs teams

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    Never go to Portland again...

    It was kind of unfair that California had to play a team like the Timbers 5 times in their first season.

    Portland should not have earned 15 points (out of their 37) beating up on a first year team.

    Understanding that California (like any other first year expansion team) needs to make adjustments and changes to come back a better team the next year; Portland got an unfair advantage over the rest of the teams of the league to play the Victory so many times.

    This unfairness in the schedule makes Portland look better than they really are. I'm not saying that Portland hasn't played good soccer this year (they have beat in their own right 7 out of 11 teams). But giving them the chance to beat up on a new team time after time seems unfair to the rest of the teams in the league.

    In my opinion, every team should play each other 2 or 3 times top each season.
     
  20. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Crosstable by points of teams vs teams

    Wow that is a tad lopsided isn't it.
     
  21. billward

    billward Member

    Oct 22, 2002
    El Cerrito, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Crosstable by points of teams vs teams

    Amen. You call that a single table? Sheesh. 12 teams should mean 22 games and naught else. Throw in some kind of USL League Cup if you want more games, maybe.
     
  22. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well I'd heard they wanted to dump the team on Piterman, but last I heard Alaves still owned the team, even if they didn't want to. Which may explain why checks are bouncing.
     
  23. Earthshaker

    Earthshaker BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 12, 2005
    The hills above town
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Crosstable by points of teams vs teams

    That happened because the Virginia Beach Mariners suspended operations shortly before the season started and this was the best schedule they could come up with. But, look at it this way, Portland is the closest team to the Victory. It cuts down transportation costs. And Portland sucked last year. Perhaps the league thought they would suck again and be doing the Victory another favor.
     
  24. Allison A

    Allison A New Member

    Jun 6, 2001
    Portland, OR
    Re: Crosstable by points of teams vs teams

    That argument is getting really tired, especially since so many teams in the top half of the table are having trouble taking full points from the Victory.

    And to think, I used to get heavily chastised for saying that the Rochester Rhinos buying extra home games gave them an unfair advantage. Compared to playing a schedule change that the league gave you no say in? :gasp: The horror!
     

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