Victims of a Campaign- The Other Footy Teams Thread

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  1. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
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    Think the difference between the big tech billionaires and the less visible billionaires is just that: visibility. Obviously no one in the US (other than perhaps the Ellisons now with their Trump connections) would qualify as a Russia-style oligarch.

    But the difference between someone like a Thiel and a Kroenke isn't huge: Thiel's influence is visible, whereas the Waltons fly under the radar: there's a reason Arkansas senators are sometimes referred to as the senators from Walmart.
     
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  2. casoccerdad47

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    Mar 31, 2006
    Buying it up, one ranch at a time.:D
     
  3. NorthBank

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    Arsenal; NYRB
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    This is well worth a watch, for several reasons...


    • Motherwell's vintage-looking shirts
    • Arsenal old boys: Tierney & Trustee in the XI, AOC on the bench
    • Limbs & small pitch invasion at the end, after...
    • Crazy 97' call (yes, more VAR/handball controversy!), which...
    • Could change the fate of the title, and...
    • Sets up amazing final day at Parkhead, final game between the top two, winner take all
    • Tomorrow 7:30am ET on Paramount+/CBSSN
     
  4. yossarian

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    In her former job, my wife's primary account was with the Waltons, Walmart, and affiliated entities. And without getting into what her work entailed, she was meeting with top execs, not mid-level management types. And no, she's not their biggest fan even if she thought the people she worked with were pleasant enough. Point is, I'm well aware of their influence in Arkansas and all over rural America. I just don't agree they wield the kind of influence I would associate with oligarchs. But again, I recognize we're having a semantics argument about what that term means.
     
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  5. NorthBank

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    Think everyone agrees about the definition of oligarch. Even if some a bit begrudgingly. ;)
     
  6. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
    But for the SCOTUS Citizens United decision we would have much more visibility and might even have avoided the current toxic political environment.
     
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  7. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

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    This counts as a situation where summary judgment is appropriate ;)
     
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  8. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
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    You don't think Stan Kroenke wields political power?

    https://coloradotimesrecorder.com/2...public-lands-taxpayers-pick-up-the-tab/75096/

    he also made his money in real estate, which is the most political thing you can be involved. It's just on a local and state level, which doesn't make the NY times.
     
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  9. The Jitty Slitter

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    Jul 23, 2004
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    One of the better protections US politics had against Oligarchs was that it was competitive, so any particular persons money was crowded out - one thing that has happened which is quite bad, is the capture of the billionaire class by the current admin. Not all. But many of the big names seem to have corruptly melded with the admin
     
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  10. DaPrince84

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    I don’t care about the Walton stuff.

    Look at how Kroenke got the stadium in Inglewood, CA.

    He is suing Inglewood for money for a stadium that's supposed to be fully financed by him
    https://2urbangirls.com/2026/01/sta...for-sofi-stadium-public-infrastructure-costs/
     
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  11. DutchCane

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    That's because you don't know America. Notice I said competitive, which =/= quality/skill or whatever
     
  12. DaPrince84

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    It wasn't competitive
    We used to tax those people at a crazy amount. As we've lessened their tax on them and those companies, the more power they've wielded.

    This has been America for most of its history except from The New Deal to Reagan.
     
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  13. leppercut

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    Oct 10, 2006
    SLC and Anchorage
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  14. leppercut

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    SLC and Anchorage
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  15. NorthBank

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    Absolutely. And the fact that I was a bit surprised/shocked by that bending of the knee, is proving to be quite naive on my part.

    p.s. I like your use of the word "admin" instead of the other/s you could have chosen. ;)
     
  16. mebeSajid

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    They didn't bend the knee, they were bought off. That's what Jitters means when he says "corruptly melded".
     
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  17. NorthBank

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    Not that simple in my mind. Cook, Bezos, Musk et al very much needed to be on Trump's good side. Recognizing that with the sweep of his little hands, he could make or break their beloved business prospects. That's most glaring perhaps for Musk & Space-X. So they kissed DJT's ass to a major degree, with Elon at the top of the ass-kissing pile, with his massive campaign contributions.
     
  18. yossarian

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    For me? Okay, if you say so. But I was willing to concede there were still genuine issues of material fact.
    :D
     
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  19. yossarian

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    .... but for a mistaken headnote in Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific.....alas.
     
  20. mebeSajid

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    LOL: it's a dispute over what the term "oligarch" means. If that's an issue of law (and it can be in some circumstances), there's no dispute over what US plutocrats have done. That's ripe for resolution on MSJ (and we won a case last year making a similar argument).
     
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  21. Serengeti_Boy

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    Sep 15, 2009
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    Liverpool are a mess. This is just embarrassing. And then you recall the board backed Slot for next year.

    If Bournemouth beat City and Nottingham and Liverpool lose their final game then Bournemouth are in the UCL! Make it happen Football gods!
     
  22. yossarian

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    Yeah, sure, I won a case on summary judgment based on our definition of "inland carriage" versus what the plaintiffs' claimed. This, I'd dispute isn't as cut and dry.
     
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  23. NorthBank

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    Indeed! In August, not a soul woulda predicted LFC's practical demise this season. And COYC's!

    Find a room boys? ;)
     
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  24. Tonerl

    Tonerl Member+

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    Nah this is too much fun!
     
  25. NorthBank

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    10 mins to go at parkhead. CEL 1-1 HEA. Serious tension. Iheanacho just hit the post. Remember him??
     

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