Victims of a Campaign- The Other Footy Teams Thread

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  1. leppercut

    leppercut Member+

    Oct 10, 2006
    SLC and Anchorage
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just need to put 3 past Burnley
     
  2. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    FIXED YOUR POST
     
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  3. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    big diff between us development and Europe and South America
     
  4. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
    Palace rotated, Wharton, Kamada and Sarr didn’t come on until the 60th minute or later, given their conference league final, they will do much the same against us.
     
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  5. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Palace is trying to win a European trophy

    they may play their u18s against us, tbh
     
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  6. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Here's hoping they play their U12s.
     
  7. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
    Staff Member

    The Arsenal FC
    Jun 16, 1999
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Stan is a billionaire who owns a shit-ton of land. Very few if any billionaires get where they are without bending/breaking rules and stepping on people, so I'm certainly not defending him. But "oligarch" doesn't fit.

    Your point about organic growth---or lack thereof---is fair.
     
  8. AmericanGunner

    Sep 7, 2003
    U.S.A.
    Liverpool and Man Utd are both owned by multi billionaires as well.
    The major difference? Man Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal were already big clubs making the most money in the league. Were already global brands in football with fans globally.

    When Chelsea were bought (2003) they were nearly broke. A top 4 club but were going broke. They had to be financially injected to get where they were. City were 14th the season before (2007) being bought. Neither had a big following outside their city.

    Its just a fact they were infused with a lot of cash. to get to the top of the league. FFP didn't start until 2014. Its just a fact their rise were manufactured not organic .

    The issue many fans have with the Glazers and Kroenkes is how much they take out of the club, not how much they put in.
     
  9. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    He's married to a Walton, and if the Waltons don't count as oligarchs, does anyone in the US?
     
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  10. DutchCane

    DutchCane Member+

    Apr 6, 2004
    New York, New York
    The development up to age 18 is just as competitive here, once they finish HS it's a wrap. The academy system in Europe/Globally gives them more time to develop
     
  11. And_ROOS

    And_ROOS Member+

    Dec 30, 2006
    Melbourne, Aus
    With their eyes on the cup I imagine they won't be wanting to risk injuries or anything silly happening so they will play like its a glorified training session so hopefully they play a lot of their depth players and kids.

    If we go in ruthless the game will be over at HT.

    Just having a quick look at their line ups for weeks now Palace are playing one game where they start with Larsen, Sarr, Wharton, Kamada and rotate players, and they start the next with Mateta, Pino, Lerma and Hughes. Mix and match the combinations because there is no consistent line ups. But not really many new faces or kids.

    Henderson, Munoz, Richards, Canvot and Mitchell are starting and playing a lot of minutes. But everyone else is starting one game, rotation the next.

    Having a look at last season before the FA Cup final Palace started a strong line up against Spurs because 1. they had a 6 day break before the final and 2. it's Spurs.
    But even in that game when it hit about the 65th minute they made a lot of subs.
    They were also healthier and in great form last season. Not the case this season.
     
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  12. DutchCane

    DutchCane Member+

    Apr 6, 2004
    New York, New York
    Lotta words just get thrown around on the interconnected networks. I agree on this
     
  13. AmericanGunner

    Sep 7, 2003
    U.S.A.
    The only difference I see between both games is Burnley doesn't offer much going forward if or when we score first. Even with a weakened side (and that is not guaranteed to be fully weak), Palace can offer something going forward.

    The game is pressure filled and that adds a negative for us. The longer we go without scoring in the game the more pressure happens, which wouldn't be the same if we were playing the 2nd game of the season instead of the 2nd to last game.
     
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  14. And_ROOS

    And_ROOS Member+

    Dec 30, 2006
    Melbourne, Aus
    All the "modelling" suggests Burnley have like a 5% or less of winning and a 12% chance or less of a draw.
    Overwhelmingly we are favourites, over 3.00 xG, common scoreline everyone is predicting is 2-0 but Burnley looked good against a horrendous Villa and even then the best they managed was a draw.
    We really need to batter Burnley just in case of the event of a draw against Palace. But we have a really good recent record against Palace and Arteta has never lost to Glasner (4w 1d).
     
  15. NorthBank

    NorthBank Moderator
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    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Never thought of Kroenke/Walton as oligarch. Most recently Musk might've fallen into that category. But because of the flighty nature of Trump, it may have been just a short-lived oligarchy for Elon... time will tell.
     
  16. AEAAFC96

    AEAAFC96 Member+

    Mar 27, 2006
    NYC
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Changed my mind on this one: Give Hull the last promotion spot.

    You can't keep Southhampton in the final because they cheated.
    You can't ask the PL to punish Southhampton if they win, that can bring up a whole slew of issues.
    You can't give Middlesborough the spot because that too brings in a slew of issues.

    So, declare the tie abandoned and give Hull promotion.
     
  17. TurdFerguson

    TurdFerguson Member

    Arsenal
    United States
    Jan 11, 2013
    They arent forgoing the revenue that the playoff match brings in, no way no how.
     
  18. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Think the solution is to defer punishment until after the playoff and then promote Hull.

    Also, remember seeing something about how Hull were bottom of the championship in terms of xG, so next season's Hull fixtures might need a mercy rule.
     
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  19. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
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    The Arsenal FC
    Jun 16, 1999
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not how I understand the term oligarch, no.
     
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  20. TurdFerguson

    TurdFerguson Member

    Arsenal
    United States
    Jan 11, 2013
    xG table
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  21. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    I believe it's an accurate framing in the US context. Of course he is not an oligarch in the Russian sense.
     
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  22. Tonerl

    Tonerl Member+

    Arsenal
    May 10, 2006
    Cincinnati, OH
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Think yoss is taking the term literally, whereas in the common usage, I think it fits. So you’re both right.

    Reps for everyone!
     
  23. Tonerl

    Tonerl Member+

    Arsenal
    May 10, 2006
    Cincinnati, OH
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  24. DutchCane

    DutchCane Member+

    Apr 6, 2004
    New York, New York
    The way oligarch works in the US is that it only applies to the super wealthy guys when they do what you dont like. See the California Democratic election, or Elon Musk
     
  25. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    as Europe? No offence but I doubt it
     
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