Victims of a Campaign- The Other Footy Teams Thread

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  1. Tonerl

    Tonerl Member+

    Arsenal
    May 10, 2006
    Cincinnati, OH
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Probably. It’s not possible to become a billionaire without exploiting human labor at the very least, which points to the lack of empathy that is a hallmark of sociopathy.
     
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  2. NorthBank

    NorthBank Moderator
    Staff Member

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I just caught the CBS post-match show and I’d like to just add that Mouinho is a dick. Always has been and always will be. End of.
     
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  3. Tonerl

    Tonerl Member+

    Arsenal
    May 10, 2006
    Cincinnati, OH
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Also displays markers of sociopathy. :D
     
  4. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Send the argentine lad home to play in his own country with the correct racial purity he needs.
     
  5. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I said this a decade ago and people got mad.
     
  6. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    His psyop against Pogba was quite something in that regard
     
  7. Plumstead Common

    Arsenal
    Dec 27, 2024
    His act has been dead for quite a while now
     
  8. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    He'll be managing a local high school team within 5 years
     
  9. AEAAFC96

    AEAAFC96 Member+

    Mar 27, 2006
    NYC
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Can't believe I'm about to say this, but I hope Real beat them 9-0 at the Bernabeu. They can keep scoring goals as much as they like.

    If you're man enough to talk s**t to someone, do it without covering your mouth.
     
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  10. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    I don't get why players don't simply get a year competition ban or whatever. that would end it.

    For heavens' sake, clubs get stadium bans merely for too many pyro offences lol
     
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  11. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Because it’s much easier to say “racism bad” than to actually do anything about it. The clubs would be furious with a rule like that because they know that their collection of players who stopped going to school when they were 11 hold some retrograde views.

    UEFA should implement a rule like that, but I don’t think they actually want to.
     
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  12. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Or the footie equivalent: a national team. He'd probably be good at managing England.
     
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  13. maskito

    maskito Member+

    Arsenal
    Jan 14, 2006
    Nashville
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree there should be bans of some kind, but enforcement will be a thorny issue.

    Clearly there are known blatant, racist slurs, so let's say FIFA/UEFA compiles those into a list for enforcement. It's likely these miscreants will make up or use different words to effectively say the same thing and skirt any penalties.

    If the list of banned slurs becomes contextual/subjective, then it can get hard to enforce as the game has become so internationally mixed and contexts can be different. For example, When Arteta used the phrase "disgracia" after that Newcastle away match in 2023, he was publicly scourged for seemingly calling the PGMOL's integrity into question. The word literally means "unfortunate" in Spanish, but since it sounds similar to "disgrace" in English it was front page news. Bans were discussed for Arteta but thankfully never happened. I know this isn't a racist incident, I'm just pointing out a known example how words can be easily misinterpreted in world soccer.

    Another issue is whether anyone can verify or confirm a slur was actually made to justify a lengthy ban. There seems to be little doubt about yesterday's incident, and we know Vini has been subjected to numerous slurs in the past. That said, such bans could/would create an incentive for some players to "interpret" words spoken in a competitive match as "racist" to get an opponent sent off in a match and potentially for a lengthy period of the season. Players routinely dive to win a PK, but replays can (or should) clearly intervene based on objective images. Unless there are microphones all over the pitch, relying on players to claim they were subjected to a racist statement could be an easy way to swing a match, especially when gambling is involved. You could imagine that certain key players would be targeted for making racial statements even if they never verbally state them (or even think them) to gain a significant competitive advantage.
     
  14. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I don’t think enforcement changes much in this hypothetical from where we currently are. A referee can send a player off if he hears them use any kind of abusive language. No one could verify Vinicius’s claim yesterday, so the Benfica player was allowed to stay on. Same would go for a world with harsher punishments.

    But the deterrent of a year-long ban if caught would go a long way towards preventing these incidents from occurring in the first place.
     
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  15. AEAAFC96

    AEAAFC96 Member+

    Mar 27, 2006
    NYC
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So let the clubs be mad about it; don't buy players that have a cro-magnon tendency and expect them to hold it in check because they're not as good as the player they're defending.

    EDIT: Let this ascend to the UK level of justice: send them off and let them prove in a hearing that they didn't say what they said.
     
  16. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Other sports have no issue banning players for this kind of misconduct. It's only football that seems to think these problems are so unique and hard.
     
  17. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    The clubs and the money behind them run the sport.
     
  18. AEAAFC96

    AEAAFC96 Member+

    Mar 27, 2006
    NYC
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, here's a perfect spot that Real and Perez can flex their muscle in order to get what they want.
     
  19. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--


    Benfica is a scumbag club
     
  20. Pemulis

    Pemulis Member

    Jul 10, 2024
    I was truly disappointed that no one butchered the little coward racist after this. I mean, I get why no one did given the game state, but I pray it comes soon.
     
  21. NorthBank

    NorthBank Moderator
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    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's what TH14 was basically saying yesterday from what I caught. He was about as livid as he gets.
     
  22. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Newcastle taking serious advantage of their cakewalk draw in the Champions League.

    5-0 at halftime, Anthony Gordon with 4.
     
  23. Pemulis

    Pemulis Member

    Jul 10, 2024
    Want them feeling powerful for the weekend!

    Sidenote: I swear this season we did not get a penalty call when the ball hit the trailing/plant arm of an opponent sliding. Newcastle got such a penalty today, and I wish my memory was better.
     
  24. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Handball rules are more harsh in Europe.
     
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  25. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
    And politics.
     
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