Victims of a Campaign- The Other Footy Teams Thread

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  1. Jamooky

    Jamooky Member+

    Mar 24, 2006
    Cleveland, OH USA
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    f*ck off, Burnley . . . still a bunch of orcs
     
  2. And_ROOS

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    Dec 30, 2006
    Melbourne, Aus
    I was watching a doco not long ago on how the sports betting works and how they make their money, if we find out in 20 years he made a lot of money on giving away that penalty I won't be surprised.
     
  3. NorthBank

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    How’s your hand?

    that was one of the best efforts of 541 low block, If you can appreciate that stuff.

    Pool have had so much good, late luck… no?
     
  4. NorthBank

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    Nah, not in this case. IMO
     
  5. And_ROOS

    And_ROOS Member+

    Dec 30, 2006
    Melbourne, Aus
    2 minutes left, standing just inside the corner of the box, absolutely no threat from the ball coming in (when it leaves the boot its a poor ball in) and he just happens to have his arm that far away from his body.

    If he is genuinely that bad, Burnley need to dump him to the u15s to learn to defend.
     
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  6. And_ROOS

    And_ROOS Member+

    Dec 30, 2006
    Melbourne, Aus
    Oh thats nice of United to finally start Sesko. And he even got a shot on target, how swell :D
    Wild he hasn't had anywhere near the scrutiny that Gyokeres has so far despite Gyokeres being equal top of the golden boot chart.

    Commentator said Donnarumma is only 26, he looks like he is early 30s. He is the opposite of Theo Walcott who looks like he is eternally 21.
     
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  7. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
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    It wasn’t that good. Liverpool were better and should have been ahead.
     
  8. AmericanGunner

    Sep 7, 2003
    U.S.A.
    In sports gambling there is an adage. Never bet on a bad team to win. A bad team will always find a way to lose. Winning is a foreign concept to them. The occasion was too great for that Burnley player.

    How we only beat Man Utd 1-0 is beyond me. It should have been much worse.

    I am cautiously optimistic about City next week. Never thought I'd see the day where a draw at home to them might be a bad result. Might...lets see what happens.
     
  9. Plumstead Common

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    Dec 27, 2024
    Out of the night that covers me
    Black as the pit from pole to pole,
    I thank whatever gods may be
    For my unconquerable soul.

    In the fell clutch of circumstance,
    I have not winced nor cried aloud.
    Under the bludgeonings of chance
    My head is bloody, but unbowed.

    Beyond this place of wrath and tears
    Looms but the Horror of the shade,
    And yet the menace of the years
    Finds, and shall find, me unafraid.

    It matters not how strait the gate,
    How charged with punishments the scroll,
    I am the master of my fate
    I am the captain of my soul.
     
  10. NorthBank

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    #42535 NorthBank, Sep 14, 2025
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    Just zipped through the Mancunian derby. Haaland looks like he's back to his old hungry, fit, prolific self. Sigh.
     
  11. NorthBank

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    Admittedly I watched in on FFWD but I saw it differently. I saw a Burnley who put in a serious shift at parking the bus, and though Pool had 80% possession they seemed frustrated by Burnley's performance. Pool with only 4 SOG all game. AND once again they didn't clinch the win until very very late... which has been their hallmark so far this season.

    p.s. I believe Slot himself said in the tunnel "it wasn't a game where we created a lot of chances"
     
  12. ArsenalMetro

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    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
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    At some point, a park-the-bus performance has to have some upfield possession. Burnley were just smashing it clear to no one for the last 35 minutes. Need to draw a foul, get a breather, something to keep the ball in the other half of the field for at least a little while.

    There was no point at which I thought "huh, Burnley might actually do this." A loss due to a(nother) horrific mental error usually comes down to fatigue, and that's always going to be worse when you're pinned back for the entire 98 minutes.
     
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  13. NorthBank

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    OK, but they were like 3 mins from a very well-earned draw. And the fine margins of this game came down to a careless (or if you're being generous a random) handball.

    My main point was that they did a good job of parking the bus and thus holding what some seas as the best team in England/Europe at bay... right up until 93'.

    p.s. I think if any Burnley player who deserves fault for stupidity, it's more Oguchukwu for his 2 yellows (one of which could've been straight red) than the guy whose unfortunate movement led to a handball and PK.
     
  14. ArsenalJake

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    Feb 11, 2013
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    The second yellow was just Oliver doing what he's paid to do. Complete joke, nothing dangerous or cynical about that tackle. One could argue he didn't even make contact with Wirtz.

    Even the commentators waited until the game was over to raise the idea it might have been controversial, only for them to conclude "but really you can get a yellow card for anything these days." Lazy AF analysis.
     
  15. ArsenalMetro

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    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
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    And they were a minute away from a well-earned draw before the international break, too…which they lost after parking the bus for the last half hour.

    Once is unlucky, twice is a trend.
     
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  16. Jamooky

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    Mar 24, 2006
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    Burnley actually did generate 3 very promising breaks where, with a little composure and smarter runs, they coulda done some damage. Each of 'em broke down after the player on the ball lost all sense of spacing and dribbled into trouble or attempted silly pass.
     
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  17. NorthBank

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    Well I'm not sure data people would say 2X is a trend. And you might also argue that if they got to 93' and 97' against "bigger" teams, with the score still level, that they're quite close to being able to executing that kind of plan, assuming the main plan was 1 point, and the dream was a smash-and-grab 3 points. Also, I think this unfortunate late PK vs Pool was not really consciously stupid like the one vs Yanited, which IIRC was.

    p.s. I'm not defending Burnley's strategy for surviving a brutal EPL season, nor have enough games been played to know what that strategy is. I just think they deserve some credit for how they performed today. And also, had they played an "expansive" game, they probably wouldn't have been sitting on 1 precious point at 93'... they probably would've been 0-3 down.
     
  18. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
    Interesting that today Chelsea blew a 2-1 lead in added time and Liverpool won their game in added time. As Arsenal fans we can’t always get every result we would prefer, but I’ll take one out of two today.
     
  19. The Jitty Slitter

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    Goals are more likely late in games IIRC
     
  20. And_ROOS

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    Dec 30, 2006
    Melbourne, Aus
    If we got this Man U team at the Emirates we would batter them.

    The issue we had was it was at Old Trafford and the first game of the season is always a crap shoot especially with how many new players we had in the lineup.

    United have progressively been worse and worse, they looked bad in their win V Burnley. They gave Haaland so much time and space. And that last goal was what you see in junior football.
     
  21. The Jitty Slitter

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    Utd are going peak Wumger and refusing to buy a proper 6

    Shoe-horning Bruno into central midfield is one thing (i really think he isn't a CM but whatevs)

    But they really have not had a functional 6 since Carrick went into decline, which is way back in the LvG or early Jose era.

    If you are going to play this system you really do have to have proper midfielders.
     
  22. AEAAFC96

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    Mar 27, 2006
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    I mean, if it had been some grey area penalty I would've said "Devil magic is at play here with Liverpool". When I saw the replay I wanted to punch the nearest wall I could find; I get being exhausted from defending for nearly 95 minutes but...WHY DID YOU STICK OUT YOUR ELBOW TO STOP THE CROSS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! If they cross and score then there's a question about his positioning but...UGH~! Could not believe they gave away such a cheap penalty.
     
  23. NorthBank

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    Sure, it was very frustrating for Burnley & Arsenal fans. But the defender's body movement didn't look extremely conscious to me. Looked more like split-second instinctive defensive movement, as if maybe he tried to block it with his body but in order to twist in that direction his elbow led. And this is perhaps a good example of how easy is it for us to judge with multiple slo-mo replays, and with the hindsight of knowing how badly his errant movement affected the result. But in real-time, full-speed, it's much less easy to conclude and cast blame. And I still think his teammate who more consciously led to 2 yellows and going down a man, deserves at least as much blame in them giving up 2 extra points late. Don't expect my view to be universal (clearly it's not) but it is what it is. But definitely a missed opportunity to keep pace early w/ Pool.
     
  24. wanye_stirrear

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    Sep 19, 2002
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    The second yellow card was more suspicious than the penalty.
     
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  25. NorthBank

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    The challenge that he was in control of, and earned him the first yellow, was reckless. Orange at the very least in my book. Had it been red, they wouldn't have had a great case for protest.
     

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