Victims of a Campaign- The Other Footy Teams Thread

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by GunneRy, Mar 25, 2015.

  1. maskito

    maskito Member+

    Arsenal
    Jan 14, 2006
    Nashville
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bournemouth just scored on Newcastle. Great Build-up. They’ve looked dangerous and had great chances as well. First time NUFC have conceded a goal in the Prem since 1963.

    (It’s only 14 games since Newcastle conceded)

    Still feels like another opportunity lost if this NUFC drop more points after our performance today.
     
  2. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    If Newcastle learns how to actually win games rather than draw, they'll be dangerous.

    10 wins, 11 draws, 1 loss if this 1-1 holds.
     
  3. maskito

    maskito Member+

    Arsenal
    Jan 14, 2006
    Nashville
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Trippier just prevented a goal on the line. Ball was 3/4 over. Bournemouth playing well today.
     
  4. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Banner day for the refs: blatant handball missed in Chelsea - West Ham, our questionable goal conceded (I still need a good angle on that), and worst of all:



    A Brighton goal wrongly disallowed because the VAR drew the offside line based on the wrong defender.
     
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  5. And_ROOS

    And_ROOS Member+

    Dec 30, 2006
    Melbourne, Aus
    How come it KEEPS being the EPL VAR that has these bad days? Why don't you hear about Spain, or Germany, having days where their VAR teams miss horrendously obvious calls frequently. Its time to take VAR off Howard Webb and bring in someone independent to the officials because they can't be trusted to do the right thing, and they can't be trusted to work together.

    As for our goal conceded...
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    Not even in doubt that he was offside. Immediately after this he crosses to Toney for the header in. How can you not check the action that occurs IMMEDIATELY before the goal?

    Lee Mason was dropped last year for this btw, copped a one game suspension. Has form being an incompetent official and probably shouldn't be kept in his role.
    [​IMG]
     
  6. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--


    Premier League refs are so bent and stupid
     
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  7. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Just arrogant and shit

    refs should be trained at a school type system and be younger guys who are fit

    not middle aged gammon with agendas
     
  8. GunnerJacket

    GunnerJacket Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 18, 2003
    Gainesville, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Is it too much to ask for Marcus Rashford to have a 6 month illness. Dude single handedly carrying ManU right now.
     
  9. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
    For large parts of the second half, Leeds have been the better team, but United score two in the last 5 minutes with 5 minutes to go.
     
  10. GunnerJacket

    GunnerJacket Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 18, 2003
    Gainesville, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Well, at 2-0 before the half Citeh appears on their way to comfy win over Villa. So the stakes for the midweek showdown will be at their highest.
     
  11. And_ROOS

    And_ROOS Member+

    Dec 30, 2006
    Melbourne, Aus
    Yup. There is some seriously massive evidence mounting for one of 2 things, but they all end in one thing; reform is needed.
    Either;
    The refs are corrupt and have teams/players they preference, and do things to look after those teams.
    The refs are incompetent, and shouldn't be continuously rewarded with high profile matches.

    And you think they would step up their efforts with the scrutiny from this weekend... But no, VAR chalked off a clear United goal (didn't affect them though, they were 0-2 up at the time).

    To be fair in my mind, it was always going to come down to winning the home match against City, and getting something off them at the EtiScam.

    The shambles against Brentford and losses against Everton are a problem because we have gone from flying form, to looking very wobbly at a crucial time in the season.
     
  12. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah our first real stutter in the season is a bit ill-timed, given the huge showdown with Citeh this week. BUT after that, the next 2.5 months see us not play any top-6 team until the rematch with Citeh 4/26. Hmm.
     
  13. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    the first 50 points were a significant over performance

    I predicted a few weeks ago that expected losses would turn up.

    it’s easy to over interpret a clump of dropped points as somehow a new trend when it’s probably just random variation

    just like everyone over interpreted City’s dropped points
     
  14. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But as whoever the NBC commentator calling the match with Lee Dixon noted yesterday during the City match, most of their underlying numbers are poorer than last season.
     
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  15. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    This is why I don’t understand this expecting of a City dominant run. They don’t look like those city teams and the numbers are not near that standard.
     
  16. yossarian

    yossarian Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 16, 1999
    Big City Blinking
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Did you hear that exchange? It was funny because Dixon went mum for an awkward moment or two and the other guy practically apologized for pointing out---you know---facts that undermined his point, which was about Haaland's goals, btw.
     
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  17. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    IIRC there was a game recently where a Juve goal was wrongly disallowed because the VAR cameras didn't capture a defender by the touchline playing everyone onside. Consistently getting stuff right is hard.

    But the Lee Mason stuff this weekend is a firing offense.
     
  18. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    That's what the NBA did post-Donaghy. Got younger refs that were better trained, with extensive coaching, feedback, performance reviews, and off season workshops.
     
  19. Tonerl

    Tonerl Member+

    Arsenal
    May 10, 2006
    Cincinnati, OH
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is there any way to know the status of the PGMOL’s contract with the Football League and Premier League? I assume there is some sort of a CBA in place that will need to be renegotiated at some point. Surely change has to happen then.
     
  20. CarlosKaiser

    CarlosKaiser Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 30, 2018
    Kansas City
    NFL refs are perfect, no notes, go Chiefs.
     
  21. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Well yeah - maybe they'll only get 85 points and not 93 because they are 10 odd points worse than last season

    But Arsenal's 100 point pace was also unlikely to be real IMO. I somehow also doubt Arsenal are a 90 point side. It just seems like too much of an improvement to peak City type levels
     
  22. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    I don't think anyone sensible thinks they are as good as last season

    But i also think they could easily go on a run and win a bunch of games in a row

    if that did happen it would be interesting how well Arteta and Arse coped with it
     
  23. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    But you are suggesting that when you say, "they could easily go on a run and win a bunch of games." There is no evidence to suggest that is possible other than past seasons performances.

    This team doesn't have that level in them. I am not saying they can't win the league still, but this City team is not dominant at all. If they win the league, its because Arsenal lost it, imo.

    If Arsenal were to beat them on Wednesday and then win on Saturday, would anyone really be surprised if City gave a greater focus to CL?
     
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  24. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Data backs this up - this team is slightly worse in attack than last season's (though variance?). Defensively, though, the only Guardiola team that's been worse from open play was the 2019/2020 version that didn't win the title. That team was far better in attack than this side is, and Guardiola's response was to scale back the attack for control.
     
  25. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    They've done it this season!

    23/27 points in their first 9 games
     

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