VfB Stuttgart: 2024/25 Season First Half - Hinrunde Discussion

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  1. Teak

    Teak Member+

    Feyenoord, VfB Stuttgart, Valencia
    Nov 22, 2008
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    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Wolfsburg - VfB

    Undav starts on the bench, Rieder and Millot start in the 3 (4-2-3-1).
     
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  2. Teak

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    Feyenoord, VfB Stuttgart, Valencia
    Nov 22, 2008
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    Club:
    Feyenoord
    20' Wolfsburg take the lead on their first attack of the match, 1-0.
     
  3. Teak

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    Feyenoord, VfB Stuttgart, Valencia
    Nov 22, 2008
    Grain Belt
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    32' Leweling tackled in box, PK. Millot's first PK shot was weak and saved, but rebounded back to him to slot in, 1-1. I don't think he should be the PK taker.
     
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  4. Teak

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    Feyenoord, VfB Stuttgart, Valencia
    Nov 22, 2008
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    Club:
    Feyenoord
    63' Karazor sent off on a red card after receiving his second yellow. VAR should have checked it, but they didn't. :mad:

    On the slo-mo replay, you can clearly see the Wolfsburg player stepping on Karazor's ankle. But, of course, the Wolfsburg player then dropped to the pitch, feigning injury.
     
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  5. Teak

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    Feyenoord, VfB Stuttgart, Valencia
    Nov 22, 2008
    Grain Belt
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    68' Wolfsburg score, 2-1. This is over. Wolfsburg player fouls Undav in stealing the ball and then goes down to score. No call. Nice to have the ref on your side.
     
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  6. KevinJRogers

    KevinJRogers Member

    New York City FC
    United States
    Jan 29, 2022
    Clifton Park, N.Y.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sebastian is furious, and rightly so. We were dominating up to that point. A quick VAR review would have shown the scam, but they can't review a yellow.

    Maybe the ref realized he got smoked. He just dished a straight red to Amoure. :laugh:
     
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  7. KevinJRogers

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    New York City FC
    United States
    Jan 29, 2022
    Clifton Park, N.Y.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, so much for that. But it's the right call. Studs up, that's a red, but he kept his feet down.

    Now I really want to beat the pork salad out of these sheep.
     
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  8. KevinJRogers

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    New York City FC
    United States
    Jan 29, 2022
    Clifton Park, N.Y.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    DENIZ. UNDAV. That is all.

    We were better than these guys even down a man. And they were getting cocky and chippy about it when they were up 2-1. We're going to remember that when they come to our house on 15 February.
     
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  9. Teak

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    Feyenoord, VfB Stuttgart, Valencia
    Nov 22, 2008
    Grain Belt
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Yeah, the ref REALLY screwed up the call against Karazor. He was fouled by the Wolfsburg player, being in between the ball and the opponent, with the opponent stepping on his ankle.
     
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  10. KevinJRogers

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    New York City FC
    United States
    Jan 29, 2022
    Clifton Park, N.Y.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Horrible call. Jablonski is a good ref, too. He just got deceived. He's not going to forget that, either.
     
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  11. Teak

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    Feyenoord, VfB Stuttgart, Valencia
    Nov 22, 2008
    Grain Belt
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    I understand that VAR doesn't want to review all yellow cards, but you would think that they would review any yellow card that results in a sending off.

    I saw a match this week in which a straight red was given, and then after a VAR check, it was overturned into a yellow only. Thus, both cases came from a sending off.
     
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  12. KevinJRogers

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    New York City FC
    United States
    Jan 29, 2022
    Clifton Park, N.Y.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Agreed, but that's the rule. I think it should be modified myself to allow review of a second yellow. It's one thing to have a caution, quite another to alter the trajectory of a match.

    No doubt in my mind Jablonski would have reversed himself had he gotten the opportunity to see it. But he'll see it on replay, and he's going to be pissed about getting tricked like that.
     
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  13. Winoman

    Winoman Drinkin' Wine Spo-De-O-De!

    Jul 26, 2000
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Perhaps VfB will protest and have the Red Card/second Yellow overturned so Karazor can play in the next match?
     
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  14. KevinJRogers

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    New York City FC
    United States
    Jan 29, 2022
    Clifton Park, N.Y.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm sure. And we'll have a case.
     
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  15. KevinJRogers

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    New York City FC
    United States
    Jan 29, 2022
    Clifton Park, N.Y.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ask and ye shall receive: https://www.vfb.de/en/vfb/latest/ne...uch-gegen-gelb-rote-karte-an-atakan-karazor-/

    I'm sure the appeal will be successful, too. Jablonski admitted to his mistake (full credit for that; he's a good referee).

    It doesn't help with the result here, but at least we'll have Atakan for TSG.
     
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  16. KevinJRogers

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    New York City FC
    United States
    Jan 29, 2022
    Clifton Park, N.Y.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Karazor ban lifted: VfB Stuttgart | Lifting of yellow-red ban Atakan Karazor

    Good on Sven Jablonski for doing the right thing right away. Immediately after the match, he said he had made a mistake. That made it easy. And now we have our captain for TSG.

    We take on Sparta Prague at 12:45 p.m. EDT on Paramount+ today, Tuesday 10.1. Intriguing match. Should make for an intriguing afternoon.
     
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  17. Teak

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    Feyenoord, VfB Stuttgart, Valencia
    Nov 22, 2008
    Grain Belt
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Great news about Karazor's wrongful dismissal.

    I will be watching the CL match live, but probably discussing it under the CL thread.
     
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  18. Teak

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    Feyenoord, VfB Stuttgart, Valencia
    Nov 22, 2008
    Grain Belt
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    I moved this post over from the CL thread since it was about today's 1.B match with Hoffenheim.

    Yeah, I hear you. I got very busy today also; what with following several footie clubs and doing garden harvest and cleanup, I can't get all matches into my watching schedule.

    It looks like we scored the tying goal in minute 90+9' to salvage a home point, 1-1. Since this week is international week, I will have some time to watch the highlights.

    Good luck on the chemo treatment!!
     
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  19. KevinJRogers

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    New York City FC
    United States
    Jan 29, 2022
    Clifton Park, N.Y.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thank you! I'm a battler. It's quite a story.

    Sorry, didn't notice I was in the wrong thread. I've been scrambling today. Finally settling in. I think it was a Demirovic PK to level it. I'll catch up to the highlights later.
     
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  20. KevinJRogers

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    New York City FC
    United States
    Jan 29, 2022
    Clifton Park, N.Y.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No big deal, just coming off the break to play Bayern. :laugh:

    I like our XI today, though. Let's go get 'em. Furchtlos und Treu!
     
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  21. KevinJRogers

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    New York City FC
    United States
    Jan 29, 2022
    Clifton Park, N.Y.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Rough one today. If you've missed it, you may not want to watch the replay. The highlights will do. Or the lowlights, I should say. Ouch.
     
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  22. Teak

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    Feyenoord, VfB Stuttgart, Valencia
    Nov 22, 2008
    Grain Belt
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Yeah, I had other matches to watch at the same time so I won't go scheduling a viewing of this butt-kicking. :(
     
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  23. KevinJRogers

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    New York City FC
    United States
    Jan 29, 2022
    Clifton Park, N.Y.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The first half was alright, if a little frustrating. I thought in the second half we'd get to 60' level (we very nearly went up 1-0 early in the second half) and then bring on El Bilal Touré and Mittelstädt, maybe Anrie Chase too, and try and jump them. But we never got to that point.

    I give our boys credit, though: they fought hard even after going down by a couple goals. But by the end, the energy just wasn't there. Bayern wore us down.
     
  24. Winoman

    Winoman Drinkin' Wine Spo-De-O-De!

    Jul 26, 2000
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I had chores to do, and appointments to keep so I haven't watched it yet, but I followed the score via ESPNFC's match tracker. It's looking like I won't watch it now, either. :(
     
  25. KevinJRogers

    KevinJRogers Member

    New York City FC
    United States
    Jan 29, 2022
    Clifton Park, N.Y.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It wasn't great, but by no means did we look disastrous. We were still competing after Kane's second tally. It just really got away after the third goal, which may very well have been offside. Certainly the Gegenpressing newsletter guys thought so.

    We definitely lost all our energy after going down 3-0, though. We didn't quit. We just couldn't keep up. Got beat to every ball, lost every challenge, that kind of thing.

    There are going to be matches like this, I guess. Especially through the first third of the season. At least we know where we need to put in some work now. We came out in a 4-4-2 with Deniz and Demirovic up top, but we just couldn't work the ball through to them. So, back to the drawing board on that one.
     
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