i cant stand that stubborn $^% i think he is the worst coach holland has in quite a while even advocaat didnt embarrass us like that +he's not listening to any critique from anyone(except cruyff off course) also i cant stand the fact that he desperatly tries to fit in players in a 4-3-3 formation,when its obvious that,with these players,we should play 4-4-2 he made sure our best players dont even wanna play for holland no more the worst thing is this though when he said:nicky hofs is better than seedorf i mean WTF!! this dude is mad
I don't mind that he doesn't listen to anyone. It's not like Michels or Hiddink ever did. I do mind that his ridiculous justification of his squad selection. And I mind that he doesn't bother to visit eredivisie games outside the Randstad. That to me shows what regard he has for the fans, i.e. none.
look at the people he has selected for the national team,its redicilous some of them arent even starters in they team in a weak competition when we got van bommel,van nistelrooij,seedorf,davids etc being top players in their teams +he totally f**** up our offense we need 4-4-2
the worst and most disrespectfull thing he did towards the fans,was not takin the WC serious like that it was more of a training camp to dude,and thats just disrespectfull we been waitin for that tournament since 02
Wait a minute now, vBommel and RvN dont wanna play anymore for our NT (largely thanks to vBasten). Seedorf is back though and may work himself back as a starter. Davids I totally disagree with, he's over the hill and shouldnt even be on the bench.
thats what im sayin he chased them out and he keeps disrespecting seedorf by lettin him play the last 5 minutes WTF u dont do that to a player of seedorf's statue he should be starter every week
I don't know your age but I'm old enough to remember Seedorf's many feckless performances for Holland and vile attitude off the pitch in the past. So I can live with Seedorf being treated not as a superstar but as one of the squad.
True but you cant hold that against him forever, he seems to have matured and mellowed with age so I think a humbled Seedorf should get more playing time.
We have our 2 Asian friendlies (Thailand & Korea) coming up next month, will Marco bring our A-squad?????
Its to make Oranje more popular in Asia. Being more popular translates into more TV right + shirt sales = more money for the KNVB
its obvious to even stevie wonder seedorf is not the arrogant player he was anymore also the games he has played under van basten were all good from his side,or he was atleast better than the other dutch players there is no valid reason to bench him,or give him 4 minutes in the game
I feel sad for van Nistelrooy and van Bommel (hope they come back one day) who are still in their prime, though many of the younger players are also amazing! Not sure whether van Basten has good interpersonal/motivational skills, it would be very disappointing if it turned out that he was biased against certain players.
I'm as critical towards Van Basten as the next person but he hasn't lost a qualifier since he was appointed in 2004. So saying that we can't even beat Albania is ridiculous. The problem hasn't been getting results, we're in better shape in that regard than say England and Portugal.
when squeaking out consistent wins against minnows = good results then you have to say there's a problem. unless being mediocre is your goal. and pointing out England's problems and saying "well at least our situation isn't as bad as theirs" is the mentality of a loser. sure, there is a consistent record of taking points, but really, against which quality teams? hardly something to run home bragging to mommy about. and it's even more painful when you have quality players not playing. international football is not club football where you build a team system day in day out. international football is about taking your best quality and then using the system that fits. and fielding a 4-3-3 that is anti-football due to lack of quality is, i'd venture, aesthetically worse than a 4-4-2 with at least some moments of attractive passing and attack.
I'm old enough to remember many a rubbish qualifying campaign. Van Gaal didn't even get us through, with a couple of others including Hiddink we had to go through play offs to win the last qualifying spot. Yet here's Van Basten with less individual quality players at his disposal and you're blaming him for bad results against 'minnows'? Do you remember at all what results Davids Seedorf (and the rest of that glorious generation that you expats and foreign lovers of Dutch football all seem to be so in love with still) were churning out against minnows? Van Basten was in arguably the most diffiicult world cup qualifying group for fecks sake with the Czech Republic Romania and Bulgaria notably. And in the world cup group of death with Argentina the Ivory Coast and the Serbs. Yet none of those games were lost. Get real for heaven's sake and blame Van Basten what he deserves to be blamed for, and give credit where credit's due.
They're no good at all but that's not what I was arguing against. The 88glory person was criticising Van Basten for losing points against minnows which is ridiculous.
And I quote: "sure, there is a consistent record of taking points, but really, against which quality teams?"