yes ... is question to see the whole Matches really . ! Zico Michel Platini Ruud Gullit ... Paulo Roberto Falcão .. they won on Diego the most Of times mainly Zico and Gullit !
Total football: dribbling, passing, scorer, long balls, crosses, through balls, tackles, headers Seven days ago Better than Gullit, Wiliam Felipe Gracek?
Bellingham is actually Real Madrid’s highest rated outfield player this season in La Liga according to Dbs calcio you would’ve never imagined it listening to the media narratives going around I also wonder how history will look back at this The teenager vs the man Playing in the same league,at the same time and against the exact same defences
Thanks for the rep of this TerjeC; it reminds me actually that I should correct myself on one detail - as per the previous post #185 it is from Gazzetta dello Sport of course, as can be seen in the top right hand corner of the page too, not Guerin Sportivo. This page is maybe a good addition for the thread I guess anyway: Marco Van Basten
Of course not , can you imagine Gullit playing with all possible foreigners. how easy that would be at current Real Madrid ????? Honestly, I'm happier... with Carlito's answer 86 on the topic Gullit vs Maradona than to be talking... about Jude English !
" Until today I have never seen a compelling argument for Gullit definitely being ahead of Maradona in 87/88 nor the other way round " Why do you think so this ?????
Nice soft touch and smooth handling. Almost remind me that of some old school brazilian masters. Almost.
Though I think that Maradona deserves big acknowledgement for being at the very top all the eighties long, when football underwent quite a big evolution. He was the best (or sort of) both in the football of Zico and in that of Gullit. Two very different environments in my opinion. Not long ago, thanks to youtube I happened to (re)discover the brazilan craques of the futebol-arte era. What one can see in those footages is simply amazing. I do believe that players like Socrates and Eder Aleixo were MUCH more skillful than the like of Gullit, Van Basten, Matthaus... (in terms of sheer technique). Though, despite some other great exponents of football arte like Cerezo and Junior managed to do very well in late eighties serie A (even very early nineties), thanks to their physical qualities and very likely to their dedication to athletic training, I suspect that Socrates and Eder would have appeared utterly, irredimibly outdated in, say, a 1989 city of Milan "derby", i.e. AC Milan vs FC Inter Milan (as for Socrates, maybe this was indeed the case during his short lived experoence at Fiorentina). The revolution heralded by Sacchi at AC Milan (and several others of course) did mark a very deep discontinuity.
But Professional Football is not only based in skills .. But ..All the Attributes ....overall Package .. ! Mental Attributes Technical Attributes Physical Attributes Tactical Attributes Skills Attributes effectiveness/end Product Longevity/Focus no Socrates ... was one player Of 2 years or 3 Years at Peak .. only.. i've talked with Socrates personally ... He himself says : ... that he was not a professional soccer player. He was a baller. He only dedicated himself to his career... In 1982 and 1983... He said that he was a deceiver on the field... On the TV Cultura Channel 2 programs... In São Paulo... He was a player very different from Pelé, Zico, Beckenbauer , Platini and Falcao, precisely because he did not dedicate himself to the maximum. He dedicated himself to alcoholism and drugs ... he told me this personally in São Paulo Brooklin Region ..south zone .. so I don't consider him to really be a top player in all the attributes .....
on Eder ..skills Gaetano Scirea ...stayed alone against Eder and Serginho Chulapa in the most dangerous counter-Attack from Brazil 1982 ... Scirea alone ..tackles both on this Plays ... then .. He does one defensive block " Shot of Opponent " .. also don't believe that much in Eder's success on Europe ..!
I say this ... because I saw really the whole Matches ...all the players that I mentioned here ,,always ... honestly ..i don't like that Highlights videos on Internet .. It takes it out of the right and real context...of the matches really it gets distorted
Italy [edit] Manager: Azeglio Vicini No. Pos. Player Date of birth (age) Caps Club 2 DF Franco Baresi 8 May 1960 (aged 28) 21 ............ Milan 5 DF Ciro Ferrara 11 February 1967 (aged 21) 4 ............. Napoli 7 DF Giovanni Francini 3 August 1963 (aged 24) 7 ............ Napoli 8 DF Paolo Maldini 26 June 1968 (aged 19) 3 Milan 9 MF Carlo Ancelotti 10 June 1959 (aged 29) 17 Milan 11 MF Fernando De Napoli 15 March 1964 (aged 24) 21 Napoli 15 MF Francesco Romano 25 April 1960 (aged 28) 0 Napoli 17 MF Roberto Donadoni 9 September 1963 (aged 24) 16 Milan Main Senior Squad in the Euro-Cup 1988 !
Eder had a bad day that day. In many other circumstances, he shocked south americans as well as europeans with his ability. Also it is not true that he was not a treat to italians at Sarria, indeed he was very harshly fouled two or three times (in one case it can be clearly understood from images that he called italian midfielder Oriali "filho de puta") .Yet I seem to understand he was quite a lazy guy, based on what I happened to read about him. As for Socrates, I know he was not exactly a professional. He was signed by Fiorentina and spent one year in serie A, in Italy we could get to know him. He had problems from the very beginning at integrating himself into the team, he candidly said he was not expecting to be obliged to attend training sessions, in Brasil he was not used to. As I have written before, they were players of the seventies to whom it happened to play the in the eighties. Utterly outdated. Yet fantastic to see.
yes, Eder almost did an Olympic goal at the end of the match against Italy ... For the good fortune of Italy. Dino Zoff... had a memorable performance always anticipating and making the right decisions Mental Attributes Of Dino Zoff working it pretty well ..
Socrates had problems .. with Stamina , Endurance, Concentration per 90 minutes .., Work Rate ...Focus Off the Ball , aggression, bravery , Determination , Marking , agility, acceleration etc. etc.etc..
I was watching Barcelona play yesterday and I think a good comparison with Van Basten is Lewandowski. They're both lethal scorers, they're clutch (they don't feel the pressure of a big game), they choose good projects (Milan, Bayern, Barcelona: strong teams), but they don't have the dribbling of Ronaldo Nazario or Henry or the passing skills of Suarez or Zlatan. It seems to me that this is the complaint in the thread that Van Basten didn't have the dribbling or vision of other goalscorers. Lewa was never a league leader in assists either (unlike Suarez and Ibra). But they're top scorers, great shooting technique and play well in big games. I also see a lot of Gullit in Bellingam: total footballers (passing, heading, defence), similar height, playing in a similar area of the pitch. But Bellingham is still very young, at 21.
Vinicius is overrated, that bloke can't play football and Brasil is ********ed it he is the main guy going to World Cup 2026 or 2030. Luckily it seems that Raphinha is already better than him and we have the ones of Endrick, Savinho or even Martinelli.
I don't betting all our chips on both things like you said Van Basten didn't have the dribbling or vision of other goalscorers. Van Basten has 128 Assists (including, Non-opta ) in 431 Matches ... was the best passer provider from Eredivisie 1984-1985 with 20 Assists and was the best passer provider from Serie A Calcio 1991-1992 with 11 Assists among or shared with Ruud Gullit I saw the compact games ...Of Ajax games 1984-1985 1985-86 1986-87 .. There are a lot of cool and incredible plays there that you've never seen Of Van Basten Van Basten was a skillful player yes .. and with vision of the game yes .. Anyone who says otherwise has never seen Van Basten's entire matches.
Of course in dribbling skills not like Ronaldo Nazario or Pelé or Maradona or Garrincha or Messi or Jairzinho ... 1996-1999 in passing skills not like , Johan Cruyff, Michel Platini, Zico , Pelé , Overath, Netzer, Gento or Ruud Gullit overall Package But this does not mean that Marco's level was low, on the contrary It was excellent or great or very very good !
Van Basten - passing and creatingUCL | World Cup | Euro 🎥pic.twitter.com/Kne8xF21M3— Fußballkönig (@GyurkaSarosi) January 2, 2025 Van Basten vs. Red Star | 1988/89 UCL (H)playmaking centre-forward pic.twitter.com/bTj1cgtmAW— Fußballkönig (@GyurkaSarosi) December 4, 2024 Van Basten vs. Benfica - 1990 UCL Finalmasterclass with winning assist 🅰️ pic.twitter.com/mRvRozyLKY— Fußballkönig (@GyurkaSarosi) November 14, 2024 Van Basten vs. Barcelona - 1989masterclass in UEFA Super Cup. pic.twitter.com/deNqQyX95m— Fußballkönig (@GyurkaSarosi) November 1, 2024 Van Basten vs. Marseille - 1993 UCL Finalamazing performance yet a bitter farewell to his great and glorious career. pic.twitter.com/o9gmAEgVeq— Fußballkönig (@GyurkaSarosi) November 16, 2024
@CristianoPuskas Van Basten - passing and creatingUCL | World Cup | Euro 🎥pic.twitter.com/Kne8xF21M3— Fußballkönig (@GyurkaSarosi) January 2, 2025 If this is from a sample size of 36 matches (as you mentioned in the Twitter comments) then it is clear Van Basten was a very very good crosser of the ball with his stronger foot and weaker foot This is one of the best Van Basten compilations on the net IMO I don’t agree at all with those other performances being categorised as masterclasses though barring possibly the Barcelona game and even then “masterclass” is a stretch
I'm refering to how he performed without goal. I could have put his performance vs Goteborg, England, Napoli, etc. But Van Basten influence without goal is top top class
AC Milan in European Cup during Arrigo Sacchi era (1988-1991) Top Scorer : 13 - Van Basten 5 - Gullit 3 - Virdis, Rijkaard 2 - Massaro, Borgonovo 1 - Ancelotti, Donadoni, Stroppa, Evani, Simone, Carbone Top Assister : 5 - Van Basten 5 - Tassotti 4 - Donadoni (including 1 penalty won) 3 - Rijkaard 2 - Colombo, Galli, Gullit, Stroppa 1 - Virdis, Evani, Maldini