Van Basten at AC Milan

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by reckless_mf, Mar 21, 2025.

  1. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    yes ... is question to see the whole Matches really . !



    Zico
    Michel Platini
    Ruud Gullit ...
    Paulo Roberto Falcão ..


    they won

    on Diego


    the most Of times

    mainly

    Zico
    and
    Gullit !
     
  2. Al Gabiru

    Al Gabiru Member

    Jan 28, 2020
    #202 Al Gabiru, Apr 5, 2025
    Last edited: Apr 5, 2025
    Total football: dribbling, passing, scorer, long balls, crosses, through balls, tackles, headers

    Seven days ago



    Better than Gullit, Wiliam Felipe Gracek?
     
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  3. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Bellingham is actually Real Madrid’s highest rated outfield player this season in La Liga according to Dbs calcio

    you would’ve never imagined it listening to the media narratives going around


    I also wonder how history will look back at this

    The teenager vs the man

    IMG_5968.jpeg


    Playing in the same league,at the same time and against the exact same defences
     
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  4. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Thanks for the rep of this TerjeC; it reminds me actually that I should correct myself on one detail - as per the previous post #185 it is from Gazzetta dello Sport of course, as can be seen in the top right hand corner of the page too, not Guerin Sportivo.

    This page is maybe a good addition for the thread I guess anyway:
    Marco Van Basten
     
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  5. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    Of course not ,



    can you imagine Gullit

    playing

    with all possible foreigners.

    how easy that would be at current Real Madrid ?????





    Honestly, I'm happier...

    with Carlito's answer 86 on the topic

    Gullit vs Maradona

    than to be

    talking...

    about Jude English !
     
  6. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
    " Until today I have never seen a compelling argument for Gullit definitely being ahead of Maradona in 87/88 nor the other way round "
















    Why do you think so this ?????
     
  7. Frank73

    Frank73 Member

    Inter Milan
    Brazil
    Mar 22, 2025
    Italy
    Nice soft touch and smooth handling. Almost remind me that of some old school brazilian masters. Almost.
     
  8. Frank73

    Frank73 Member

    Inter Milan
    Brazil
    Mar 22, 2025
    Italy
    Though I think that Maradona deserves big acknowledgement for being at the very top all the eighties long, when football underwent quite a big evolution. He was the best (or sort of) both in the football of Zico and in that of Gullit. Two very different environments in my opinion. Not long ago, thanks to youtube I happened to (re)discover the brazilan craques of the futebol-arte era. What one can see in those footages is simply amazing. I do believe that players like Socrates and Eder Aleixo were MUCH more skillful than the like of Gullit, Van Basten, Matthaus... (in terms of sheer technique). Though, despite some other great exponents of football arte like Cerezo and Junior managed to do very well in late eighties serie A (even very early nineties), thanks to their physical qualities and very likely to their dedication to athletic training, I suspect that Socrates and Eder would have appeared utterly, irredimibly outdated in, say, a 1989 city of Milan "derby", i.e. AC Milan vs FC Inter Milan (as for Socrates, maybe this was indeed the case during his short lived experoence at Fiorentina). The revolution heralded by Sacchi at AC Milan (and several others of course) did mark a very deep discontinuity.
     
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  9. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    But Professional Football is not only based in skills ..



    But ..All the Attributes ....overall Package .. !


    Mental Attributes
    Technical Attributes
    Physical Attributes
    Tactical Attributes
    Skills Attributes
    effectiveness/end Product
    Longevity/Focus




    no Socrates ... was one player Of 2 years or 3 Years at Peak .. only..

    i've talked with Socrates personally ...


    He himself says : ... that he was not a professional soccer player. He was a baller. He only dedicated himself to his career... In 1982 and 1983... He said that he was a deceiver on the field... On the TV Cultura Channel 2 programs... In São Paulo... He was a player very different from Pelé, Zico, Beckenbauer , Platini and Falcao, precisely because he did not dedicate himself to the maximum. He dedicated himself to alcoholism and drugs ...


    he told me this personally in São Paulo Brooklin Region ..south zone ..



    so I don't consider him to really be a top player

    in all the attributes .....



     
  10. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    Socrates was like .. Ronaldinho Gaucho and Adriano Drunk ...

    3 years at Prime or Peak !
     
  11. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    on Eder ..skills



    Gaetano Scirea ...stayed alone against


    Eder and Serginho Chulapa in the most dangerous counter-Attack from Brazil 1982 ...





    Scirea alone ..tackles both on this Plays ...

    then .. He does one defensive block " Shot of Opponent " ..





    also don't believe that much in Eder's success on Europe ..!
     
  12. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    I say this ... because I saw really the whole Matches ...all the players that I mentioned here ,,always ...


    honestly ..i don't like that Highlights videos on Internet ..


    It takes it out of the right and real context...of the matches really

    it gets distorted
     
  13. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    Italy
    [edit]


    Manager: Azeglio Vicini

    No. Pos. Player Date of birth (age) Caps Club


    2 DF Franco Baresi 8 May 1960 (aged 28) 21 ............ Milan
    5 DF Ciro Ferrara 11 February 1967 (aged 21) 4 ............. Napoli
    7 DF Giovanni Francini 3 August 1963 (aged 24) 7 ............ Napoli
    8 DF Paolo Maldini 26 June 1968 (aged 19) 3 [​IMG] Milan
    9 MF Carlo Ancelotti 10 June 1959 (aged 29) 17 [​IMG] Milan
    11 MF Fernando De Napoli 15 March 1964 (aged 24) 21 [​IMG] Napoli
    15 MF Francesco Romano 25 April 1960 (aged 28) 0 [​IMG] Napoli
    17 MF Roberto Donadoni 9 September 1963 (aged 24) 16 [​IMG] Milan


    Main Senior Squad in the Euro-Cup 1988 !
     
  14. Frank73

    Frank73 Member

    Inter Milan
    Brazil
    Mar 22, 2025
    Italy
    Eder had a bad day that day. In many other circumstances, he shocked south americans as well as europeans with his ability. Also it is not true that he was not a treat to italians at Sarria, indeed he was very harshly fouled two or three times (in one case it can be clearly understood from images that he called italian midfielder Oriali "filho de puta") .Yet I seem to understand he was quite a lazy guy, based on what I happened to read about him.
    As for Socrates, I know he was not exactly a professional. He was signed by Fiorentina and spent one year in serie A, in Italy we could get to know him.
    He had problems from the very beginning at integrating himself into the team, he candidly said he was not expecting to be obliged to attend training sessions, in Brasil he was not used to.
    As I have written before, they were players of the seventies to whom it happened to play the in the eighties. Utterly outdated. Yet fantastic to see.
     
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  15. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    yes, Eder almost did

    an Olympic goal at the end of the match against Italy ...


    For the good fortune of Italy.

    Dino Zoff...
    had a memorable performance


    always anticipating and making the right decisions


    Mental Attributes Of Dino Zoff working it pretty well ..
     
  16. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    Socrates had problems .. with Stamina , Endurance, Concentration per 90 minutes .., Work Rate ...Focus

    Off the Ball , aggression, bravery , Determination , Marking , agility, acceleration etc. etc.etc..
     
  17. Al Gabiru

    Al Gabiru Member

    Jan 28, 2020
    #217 Al Gabiru, Apr 10, 2025
    Last edited: Apr 10, 2025
    I was watching Barcelona play yesterday and I think a good comparison with Van Basten is Lewandowski.

    They're both lethal scorers, they're clutch (they don't feel the pressure of a big game), they choose good projects (Milan, Bayern, Barcelona: strong teams), but they don't have the dribbling of Ronaldo Nazario or Henry or the passing skills of Suarez or Zlatan.

    It seems to me that this is the complaint in the thread that Van Basten didn't have the dribbling or vision of other goalscorers. Lewa was never a league leader in assists either (unlike Suarez and Ibra). But they're top scorers, great shooting technique and play well in big games.

    I also see a lot of Gullit in Bellingam: total footballers (passing, heading, defence), similar height, playing in a similar area of the pitch. But Bellingham is still very young, at 21.
     
  18. Tropeiro

    Tropeiro Member+

    Jun 1, 2018
    Vinicius is overrated, that bloke can't play football and Brasil is ********ed it he is the main guy going to World Cup 2026 or 2030. Luckily it seems that Raphinha is already better than him and we have the ones of Endrick, Savinho or even Martinelli.
     
  19. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    I don't
    betting all our chips on both things like you said


    Van Basten didn't have the dribbling or vision of other goalscorers.


    Van Basten has 128 Assists (including, Non-opta ) in 431 Matches ...


    was the best passer provider from Eredivisie 1984-1985 with 20 Assists
    and
    was the best passer provider from Serie A Calcio 1991-1992 with 11 Assists among or shared with Ruud Gullit


    I saw the compact games ...Of Ajax games

    1984-1985
    1985-86
    1986-87 ..


    There are a lot of cool and incredible plays there that you've never seen Of Van Basten




    Van Basten was a skillful player yes ..
    and
    with vision of the game yes ..


    Anyone who says otherwise has never seen Van Basten's entire matches.


     
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  20. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    Of course

    in dribbling skills not like Ronaldo Nazario or Pelé or Maradona or Garrincha or Messi or Jairzinho ... 1996-1999


    in passing skills not like , Johan Cruyff, Michel Platini, Zico , Pelé , Overath, Netzer, Gento or Ruud Gullit

    overall Package


    But this does not mean that Marco's level was low, on the contrary

    It was excellent or great or very very good !
     
  21. CristianoPuskas

    Manchester United
    Portugal
    May 27, 2021








     
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  22. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #222 carlito86, May 17, 2025
    Last edited: May 17, 2025
    @CristianoPuskas



    If this is from a sample size of 36 matches (as you mentioned in the Twitter comments) then it is clear Van Basten was a very very good crosser of the ball with his stronger foot and weaker foot

    This is one of the best Van Basten compilations on the net IMO

    I don’t agree at all with those other performances being categorised as masterclasses though

    barring possibly the Barcelona game and even then “masterclass” is a stretch
     
  23. CristianoPuskas

    Manchester United
    Portugal
    May 27, 2021
    I'm refering to how he performed without goal. I could have put his performance vs Goteborg, England, Napoli, etc. But Van Basten influence without goal is top top class
     

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