With using 30 stats, FOTMOB’s rankings are very comprehensive. Some of those stats are obviously based on how many goal & assists for the season, but many of them are per average minute(s)—-Girma hasn’t appeared in any of them. Girma has put in 864 minutes in 8 league matches for about 80+ a game. I don’t agree with some of the rankings; they got Millie Bright at #19, someone who I would be more worried what she’ll do to her own teammates(she’s that clumsy) But my original post was not really about how well Americans are doing in the WSL(which is well enough with Fox & Thompson) but how well the Japanese are doing!—Japan is after all on the thread heading
here's an stat from another website called soccerway that gave Grima an very average score of 6.9 vs Canada USA 1-0 CAN | USA W v Canada W live scores & match info | Soccerway | Lineups 6.9 is close to her FOTMOB score in the WSL. She had an real low score of 5.9 when Man City trounced Chelsea 5-1, MC the team that got top Japaneses players on their squad & Miedema plus top scorer Bunny Shaw(who burned Girma an couple of times)
N(a)o(mi) + (Gi)rma = Norma It's a sort of crasis, it somehow makes sense (at least in @hotjam2's world ).
Most all the places where you see player ratings use statistics but that only tells a small part of players value to their team. The problem with statistics is that they try to quantify the unquantifiable and that leads to errors. The reason statistics are used so much is that comparing players that play on different teams and in different leagues and different positions are nearly impossible without statistics. But statistics are flawed in many ways. If I were to rate Grima against the other central defenders world wide she would come in somewhere in the top 10 and, maybe the top 5. She is not, to me, the best in the world but anywhere in the top 10 is quite good. I could go through the entire USWNT lineup the same way but few people would agree with my assessment because it would be based very little on statistics. No matter how good or how bad a player's statistics are I would never rate them unless I had seen them play, preferably multiple times. But my method is not a lot better than statistics simply because it is based on my opinion and that is as flawed, much of the time, as statistics. One more thing is that defensive players statistic ratings are often skewed quite badly. As one example: A player playing central defense might have poor steal percentages but be a great player because positionally they play so well that few players will even try to beat them. Also remember the old quote, "There are lies, damn lies and then statistics." I do not trust or generally believe any ratings that rely heavily on statistics. Statistics are simply a way for some people to fool other into misjudgments. There is also another quote that applies to many, if not most, soccer statistics. "Most people use statistics the same way a drunkard uses a lamp post, more for support than illumination."
Good points, but some like stats, some don’t. Stats are more important in some sports like Baseball compared to others. Stats feed bookmakers odds that in turn feed the trillion dollar sports gambling industry my original post compared the WSL stats of the top American & Japanese players & ask the question; who looks better? The answer should of been an no brainer(as three Japanese were already higher than the top American(Emily Fox) as for minus the FOTMOB rankings, Japan made it to the finals of the last three U20 World Cup & now bearing the fruits of that success with an squad that should be superior than the current US one. The US though got one major advantage in that all three games are played at home
for all you wild n crazy Naomi Norma Girma fans, here's highlights of Chelsea vs Man City. Girma(#16) got to defend against an powerful front line of Kerolin, Miedema & Shaw. 1st goal) her fault as miss clears 2nd goal) definitley/obviously her fault 3rd goal) where the heck is she? or why there's 6 Chelsea players back tracking faster than her? 4th goal) again very slowback tracking against theswift counter those who see the highlights through will be rewarded by an "cracker" from Thompson
Girma is not a robot. I still think she is among the best, if not the best, defender in the world. But in that match, Kerolin was on fire, and Shaw has been in peak form all season. It was more Man City being better than Chelsea, and Girma being overwhelmed with no support (and it also looked like Chelsea tactics were bad).
Statistics are very good if there is enough data and they come with appropriate disclaimers. The problem is that some publishers of statistics don't give appropriate disclaimers and some who review them don't pay attention to the disclaimers. And, it takes a lot of data for statistics to have any reliability and this limits their usefulness for evaluating individual players. Also, a really good statistician is concerned about which statistics really mean something(are a "signal" of something important) and which don't really mean something (are "noise"). Bookies, whose economic survival depends on having the best possible information, use statistics and supplement them with all the additional information they can get (e.g., who is or has been injured).
I don't think anyone has a problem with FOTMOB stats in particular, but you're using the FOTMOB stats to draw a conclusion, or at least imply a conclusion, that the Japan WNT is then better than the USWNT. Now I do think the Japan WNT are very good, and I personally don't think either team will win all 3 of the April games. I think the games will be split, but, I'm not just using FOTMOB stats to make that prediction, especially when the FOTMOB stats you're using are limited to only the WSL when neither team has all of their players playing in the WSL (the USWNT doesn't even have most of their players playing in the WSL; the Japan WNT, I think, has a higher percentage of their players playing there).
I won't be watching for (or care) who wins these 3 friendlies, I mean beyond the 'bragging rights'. I think both coaches will try different things over the course of these 3 friendlies, that won't necessarily be to 'win' the matches. I'm more curious to see what tactics Emma rolls out to defend and attack against Japan's style of play. I'm also looking forward to seeing which players step up and execute against such a high-level opponent. I believe Spain and Japan will be the USA's top peer-competitors over the next decade.
Now hold on tiger, there’s a bit more competition out there; England got an 1-1-1 record this decade vs US with their loss coming earlier at 2020 SBC Sweden is 2-0 vs USA (2022 Olympics/2023 WC) both seem to be still peaking there’s former powerhouses currently slumping; Australia Canada Netherlands and now possibly Brazil, who this last week lost both their friendlies(vs Venezuela & Mexico) but it could of been that their coach wasn’t playing with an full deck as so many of their big stars were missing and Mexico could be an dark horse as they bested the US in 2024 in the split won/loss by 2-1 aggregate + beat US at the U20 Concacaf The commentator made an interesting observation about Japan when covering them at the Asian Cup; their always trying to make goals like an “ work of art “, which I take it mean their not looking for an quick or cheap way to score, so Emma needs to take advantage & adjust or defend accordingly
I think we match up well against both Sweden and England and play similar styles. The USA has better athletes (as a whole) than both those squads, so they don't really scare me. IMO, teams that pass and move the ball well can be problematic for the USA. Ultimately, the USA's depth should be the difference in 6-7 match tournament. The Vlatko Andovoski era is burned from my memory, so we won't be discussing any of those fraudulent results. Spain and Japan are the only 2 teams that concern me right now.
England are very good right now, but over the next decade, I'm not sure they will maintain the same standard. They will still be very, very good, but rather than be a contender for best, I think they'll be closer to 4th or 5th. Meaning they will still be better than almost everybody else. Yup, Sweden is looking very good. The big concern I think they have is depth. There will always be peaks and troughs. We've had our own. The big difference right now is that we have a very good group of players who will be around for the next decade, where as only Japan and Spain do as well. Brasil are also showing that they can develop players and might end up being very, very good if that can be sustained. The big separation, though, is that I don't see anybody with a generational-type talent coming though the ranks beyond the big 5. Italy's league becoming fully professional is going to help. Belgium seem to have a good group of players. Yes, if Mexico can sustain their league that helps players improve, they might do well. Netherlands are not bad, but they had such a great group that I think the comparison is what we saw then and is different now (and like England, had a very good group and not the same number/level following). Canada does have a few good players, but like Sweden, it is their depth. And, of course, we can't ever leave out France and Germany. Basically, I think there are a going to be a consistent big 5: US, England, Spain, Japan, and Brasil over the next decade because of the development of players. Other countries could show up as well, but like we have seen with Australia and Netherlands, their will be peaks into the top 5, and troughs where they drop off notably. If France are ever able to get over their mental barrier and win a major championship, they could break into that big country group. And Germany needs to develop players more consistently. Again, peaks and troughs. Long term, I would like to see more countries challenge the big 5 consistently, which means they have developed players, which means that they have a good league that is supported well. I'm looking at Italy as the possibly biggest beneficiary on those lines.
As a side note, saw that Wilson did not start v. Washington, so I suspect that probably rules her out this series v. Japan for match fitness reasons.
England still helped out that most of their NT’s are playing in the top league out there, as so many of the world’s best players have moved to the WSL. And now that league can openly boast having more USWNT starters then the NWSL—-on average 6 vs 4 if you go with Tullis-Joyce Girma Fox Coffey Thompson Macario—Lyon’s Heaps & Yohannes being the out layer(wouldn’t even know who NWSL’s 4 would be cuz the WSL’s do much more distinguishable, lol) Also England’s got arguably woso’s world’s best tournament coach in Wiegman
just read something that Macario signed an record deal with the San Diego Wave. So if/when it happens it be WSL 5, NWSL 5 lol but still waiting for confirmation as deal supposedly for $ 8 mill???
She came on in the 77th minute, so that tells me she's not match fit, yet. I would assume even if she were mostly match fit, she'd have been starting and playing for 60+ minutes. That she didn't start tells me she's not there, yet.
https://www.sportico.com/personalit...ario-contract-nwsl-san-diego-wave-1234887043/ The article says $8m over 5 years, guaranteed. WOW! btw, it's helpful when posting info like that to provide a source.
No. Another poster said they'd rule her out fir April because she did not start. I was just saying I don't really see much difference in starting for 45-60 and subbing for 15 at the end. Not for the first game back. Probably 20-30 for G2. Then 45. Once she can get to 45, she can start.
When does Hayes have to make a decision? It is after week 2 or after week 3? My thinking on this is that she's been training since, what, December? November? after missing all (most? I forget when she went on leave) of 2025. That is before the rest of the team would be back in training, apart from those with various national teams. That she a) didn't start, and b) only got 15 minutes or so, tells me she is not close to being match fit. And there are a lot of aspects to be considered here, so it may be caution bringing her into the team. And I'm sure Hayes will be having a conversation with Portland about that as well. Personally, since she only played 15 minutes, I'm thinking that she is not going to get called up. Disappointing, but not end of the world. The other question is Macario. When will the transfer occur, and will she also be match fit. Difference between the two is that Macario has played with most of the team over the past 12 months, and been part of the tactical development by Hayes, where; as Wilson has not. So, if Macario is not called into camp, I think that is injury related. If Wilson is not called into camp, I think that is match fitness related.