USWNT playing Paraguay in September

Discussion in 'USA Women: News and Analysis' started by winster, Aug 21, 2021.

  1. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    Five goals, even six, would be "much more competitive," wouldn't it?
     
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  2. Klingo3034

    Klingo3034 Member+

    Dallas FC
    United States
    Oct 11, 2019
    If those teams go to France then some other teams will come to SBC if the their spots already taken in French tournament.
     
  3. Klingo3034

    Klingo3034 Member+

    Dallas FC
    United States
    Oct 11, 2019
    Should have a college tour, USWNT vs college teams in their own stadium. Definitely brings out the fans.
     
  4. Klingo3034

    Klingo3034 Member+

    Dallas FC
    United States
    Oct 11, 2019
    Obviously it would be top college teams. Maybe the Final Four?
     
  5. Disapproving Hippo

    Manchester United
    United States
    Jan 17, 2021
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good for England.
    SBC can still lobby the Netherlands from that side of the world. They are not exactly a rubbish team you know. Brazil from the south and there's the Canadians up north.
     
  6. Dsocc

    Dsocc Member

    Feb 13, 2002
    Barnstorming...keeps the "equal pay" lawsuit alive for the media PR...
     
  7. kolabear

    kolabear Member+

    Nov 10, 2006
    los angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's okay if competitions use goal difference as a tiebreaker, but they should put a cap on the goal differential you can earn in a single game, say 5 or 6. What does it prove if you can beat a team 6-0 or 8-0 or 12-0?
     
  8. FanOfFutbol

    FanOfFutbol Member+

    May 4, 2002
    That is the kind of limitation that is placed on U8 rec games it is NOT appropriate for international or even high school matches. It "might" make sense for friendlies but even there the fans, players, coaches and even the vendors would always know how many goals have been scored. Also the idea of teams self limiting by requiring so many back passes or so many passes or requiring everything to be two touch or some such insults the team being trounced more than more goals ever could.

    Beating a team 12-0 or even more proves that you can and gives the losing side a real goal to try to reach. In otherwords Paraguay now knows what a top team can do and, if they have any mental strength at all, they will work as much as possible to get better.

    But, maybe, the rec leagues have it correct and the USWNT should start having orange slices and juice boxes at halftime and during the match outlaw slide tackles and headers as well as limiting goals also the team needs to start going out for ice cream after the match.
     
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  9. kolabear

    kolabear Member+

    Nov 10, 2006
    los angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    After a couple of sensible posts, you've gone back to being absolutely totally wrong. Congratulations on being the first person who's ever criticized the idea
     
  10. Chastaen

    Chastaen Member+

    Alavés
    Jul 9, 2004
    Mesa, Az
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I expect the ladies will lay off them a bit now, Paraguay has lost 7-0 to Japan and 9-0 to us so far. I almost got over-boisterous and said 8 goals lol
     
  11. FanOfFutbol

    FanOfFutbol Member+

    May 4, 2002
    Actually I have never heard anyone of any level of soccer knowledge suggest that at the professional level that thinks limiting goals in a professional match is in any way a good idea.
    I do not even agree with the idea at the rec level but there is at least some logic behind it at that level.
    I do not think adults should need to have their fragile feeling protected by such an artificial means.

    One thing about the idea in tournaments that uses goals or goal differential as a tie breaker: If team A beats team X by 8 and team B beats team X by 12 then you have a 4 goal difference but, under your idea, both teams would have a 5 goal difference. That could change everything in a group.

    It is just a bad idea. But, maybe, we should stop keeping score and just play for fun.
    This is professional sports and doing things just to keep from hurting feelings has no place in professional sports. If a player or team can't handle it then they should quit and take up something safer to the ego.
     
  12. Chastaen

    Chastaen Member+

    Alavés
    Jul 9, 2004
    Mesa, Az
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Australia realized that beating up the minnows didn't help them much and addressed the problem. The problem are women face is the number of -non-minnows is super small.
     
  13. Chastaen

    Chastaen Member+

    Alavés
    Jul 9, 2004
    Mesa, Az
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Gonna agree here, I remember a game where we had to play two touch and no more than 4 passes to not run the score up. Once we hit 4 passes, we couldnt touch the ball until they did, which ended up looking really embarrassing for them but was not our coaches intention. Sometimes lumps are lumps.
     
  14. FanOfFutbol

    FanOfFutbol Member+

    May 4, 2002
    Have you ever seen a game where the coach tried to hold the score down by requiring something like 15 completed passes before a shot could be attempted? I did and the kids started counting out loud on every pass. You would hear most of the team chanting "1...2...3...4..." and so on until they almost screamed "15.GO" and then the team started attacking hard. That was more humiliating to the weaker team than even a 20-0 score would have. BTW: This was a girls team. Boys might be more controlled. After all everyone knows that girls are meaner than boys. ;)
     
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  15. kolabear

    kolabear Member+

    Nov 10, 2006
    los angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh blimey. No one's saying the scores aren't going to get run up against minnows. But we can encourage superior teams to not go to ridiculous extremes
    They can substitute earlier and more often, giving younger players some minutes. They're still going to try to score but at least you can take out your star players
    End of each half and stoppage time, perhaps you slow the game down and, like they do in basketball, "dribble out the clock"
     
  16. Chastaen

    Chastaen Member+

    Alavés
    Jul 9, 2004
    Mesa, Az
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That was my intended point as well, players turning and walking away from an easy ball because it would be the '5th pass' doesn't do the opponents any favors.

    Pull the starters, have your slowest defender be your only forward and the next slower in midfield. Anything you can to try and obscure the fact that you are having mercy on a weaker team
     
  17. FanOfFutbol

    FanOfFutbol Member+

    May 4, 2002
    Actually the idea of changing players positions only works if the players moved truly cannot play the position they are put in very well. I once had a U14 girls team that would, from time to time, be able to run scores. I once, and only once, tried to limit their scoring by playing players out of position but I found (I was blessed because all of the players I had were pretty good.) that the "normal" defenders when placed in a position to attack proved to be hungry and wanted to score given the chance. Before I switched the players out of position the score was 7-0 (just before the end of the first half) and by the end of the match the score was 15-0. My regular goalkeeper that never before in a match had played forward (she was usually in goal and, if not, she only wanted to defend) In that match she got two and could have had more but I relented and put her back in goal where she could cheer lead and think about her final exam in math that was coming up.

    I found that artificial means of trying to limit the score just did not work. To limit scores the only thing that worked was telling the team to try and hit the goalkeeper with their shots. This made saving easier and it did not look like we were trying to hold the score down. I even tried intentionally playing a player or two down but that was too obvious as well.
     
  18. Klingo3034

    Klingo3034 Member+

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    Oct 11, 2019
    Best thing to do is run the time out even it’s the first half. So have the players run to the opponents corner.
     
  19. kolabear

    kolabear Member+

    Nov 10, 2006
    los angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    God's bloody wounds. No one's suggesting limiting teams from scoring goals. The idea is to simply put a cap on how many goals count towards goal differential. Even if we put the cap at 5, for instance, I think we can safely assume most teams are going to want to score at least 6 or 7 just in case the other team scores one, to make sure they get the maximum +5 from the match.

    Why would anyone with a brain want the 9th or 10th goal against a minnow to count as much as getting the 2nd goal against another good team in the group, a top 20 or top 30 team?
    Changing things in the group is the point. (Or the other main one. The other being to encourage some class and sportsmanship against vastly weaker opponents) Why wouldn't we want scoring a 2nd goal against a good team to matter more than beating a weak team by 12 goals instead of 8? The way it is now, whenever there are minnows in the competition, goal differential always comes down to whether you beat a weak team 8-0 as opposed to 12-0.

    Why should we be surprised to find there are good ideas we've never heard before when it's FIFA in charge of things?
     
  20. jackdoggy

    jackdoggy Member+

    May 16, 2014
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  21. winster

    winster Member

    Jul 7, 2008
    Club:
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    The futsal World Cup is complete trash I've seen a few games, including Kazakhstan vs Costa Rica (the CONCACAF Champs). Costa Rica was shockingly bad. The old American indoor leagues in the 90s and early 2000s had better quality than what is on offer by most teams at the Futsal World Cup.

    I'm not sure what the US selection process is for the futsal national team, but it can't be very serious. I've played with high school kids who are better kicking around on a hardtop than what the US national team is bringing.

    ...but really the whole competition is a joke. There are a few European countries with fully professional futsal leagues amd obviously Argentina and Brazil can find talent if they want. Other than that...complete trash.
     
  22. CookieRules

    CookieRules Member

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    Jul 1, 2021
    LoL this is exactly what the GENIUS vlatko did in the olympics and the games leading up to it. He was telling the team to slow down after like 3 goals. Normally we should be obliterating cupcake teams by 10-0 but not with Vlatko he wanted them to slow down after 4 goals. Genius..NOT!! The man had a Stalion and turned it into a Sloth
     
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  23. kolabear

    kolabear Member+

    Nov 10, 2006
    los angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What I'm talking about is not what the "Genius" Vlatko did. What does getting only 1 goal against Portugal have to do with not pressing to score a 10th goal in stoppage time? What does getting shut out 3 times in the Olympics have to do with not running up the score?

    If we have a goal differential cap of +5 for any single game, teams are still going to want to score at least 6 or 7 just in case the other team scores one or two. We're still going to have 10-0 games. We just won't have the unseemly spectacle of teams like the US and Germany pressing for one or two more goals in the last 5 minutes of the game. You have to be a sadist to want that when it doesn't have to be that way.
     
  24. Disapproving Hippo

    Manchester United
    United States
    Jan 17, 2021
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fair point but how about the countless offside goals? Did he instructed his squad to do that as well?
     
  25. FanOfFutbol

    FanOfFutbol Member+

    May 4, 2002
    He probably buys into the fantasy that, "It is OK to push the line and be offside 20 times if you get the timing right one time." The fact is that there is almost no reason for USWNT players to ever be offside unless they lose focus and get trapped. The players on the team are all fast enough to start a full half yard on side and still beat most defenders from other teams to the ball.

    As long as Vlatko Andonovski is the coach we can expect more goals called back for offside particularly when VAR is used. In friendlies VAR is rarely used and, as we see from the men, VAR is not used in many qualifying competitions particularly in CONCACAF. CONCACAF is too cheap and too stupid to require that stadiums used for qualifying have VAR.

    Perhaps I missed it but I can not remember even one friendly where VAR is used, except maybe where VAR was being tested.

    Vlatko trained the USWNT to push the offside edge when playing friendlies and that works out OK because the marginal offsides get missed but, when we are in a match that matters, the players get caught too often. He was successful at teaching the USWNT to play slow and he has been equally successful at teaching that they need to test the edge at all times and he seems to believe, to paraphrase a famous saying, "Damn the offside law, full speed ahead."

    When you combine "slow play" and the excessive offside calls it is no wonder that we played badly in the Olympics.

    Vlatko "might" be a good club coach where he has the players all the time but he really sucks when trying to put a good team together in a short time.
     

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