USMNT Transfer Watch - Movers and Shakers

Discussion in 'USA Men' started by Eleven Bravo, Jan 11, 2021.

  1. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Danny Ings is making $8 million sitting on the bench at West Ham.

    Actually he sounds perfect for the Fire's next DP disaster.
     
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  2. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Summer Transfer List of Players who Need a Move:
    1. Gio Reyna, Should consider a club in a Big 5 League, outside of the EPL.
    2. Matt Turner, Should also consider a club in a Big 5 League, outside of the EPL.
    3. Brenden Aaronson, Should he stay at Union or go back to Leeds? He’ll need to sort this out.
    4. Paxten Aaronson, glad he got some playing time this season, but Vitesse have been a nightmare. He’ll probably need another loan. But his stock is crumbling.
    5. Brian Gutierrez, Time to go abroad or get stuck. Could see in Belgium or Holland.
    6. Rokas Puktsas, Could see in Bundesliga or Serie A.
    7. Duncan McGuire, Championship destination is fine, but get the paperwork filed in time!
    8. John Tolkin, Time to go abroad or get stuck. Could see in Belgium or Holland.
    9. Caleb Wiley, Time to go abroad or get stuck. Could see as an investment purchase for a Bundesliga club.
    10. Gabriel Slonina, Eupen are going down, and he can’t stay.
    11. Auston Trusty, wouldn’t be the end of the world for him to have another year in the Championship. But at the same time, why? Go to a club in the Big 5 out of the EPL.
    12. Jonathan Tomkinson, Kobi Henry, Nico Carrera, Try MLS.
    13. Brandan Craig, Wasting away. Maybe try the Griffin Yow route.
    14. George Bello, Needs to be in a better league than Austria. Otherwise, return to MLS.
    15. Jack McGlynn & Quinn Sullivan, Time to go abroad or get stuck. Could see in Belgium or Holland to get started.
    16. Obed Vargas, Still early, but he’s got enough experience, and he’s still so young, I would snatch him up if I was an aspiring Bundesliga club.
    17. Zach Booth, Did enough this season to not go down with the ship. Could see another similar move for next year.
    18. Adrian Gill, the Barcelona dream has had to pass him by because of his ACL injury. Hopefully he could find a good club that specializes in development and rehab.
    19. Konrad de la Fuente, come to MLS.
    20. Agustin Anello, come to MLS.
    21. Alan & Joel Sonora, come to MLS.
    22. Charlie Kelman, come to MLS.
    23. Johan Gomez, come to MLS.
    24. Julian Green, come to MLS.
    25. Duane Holmes, come to MLS.
    26. Jose Gallegos, come to MLS.
    27. Matthew Hoppe, come to MLS.
    28. Lynden Gooch, come to MLS.
    29. Alex Mighten, come to MLS.
    30. Maurice Malone, come to MLS.
    31. Malick Sanogo, come to MLS.
    32. Fede Oliva, come to MLS.
    33. Andrija Novakovich, come to MLS.
    34. Vaughn Covil, come to MLS.
    35. Richie Ledezma, come to MLS.
    36. Uly Llanez, come to MLS.
    37. Sebastian Soto, come to MLS.
    38. Alex Mendez, come to MLS.
    39. Alejandro Alvarado, come to MLS.
    40. Dante Polvara, come to MLS.
    41. Christian Cappis, come to MLS.
    42. Sam Rogers, come to MLS.
    43. Erik Palmer-Brown, come to MLS.
    44. Justin Che, come to MLS.
    45. Reggie Cannon, come to MLS.
    46. Alex Borto, come to MLS.
     
  3. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Matt Turner should return to MLS. He's nearly 30 and he was at his most confident when he was at the Revs. He could make more than the $2.5M he's making sitting on the bench for Forest. Playing in a lesser league isn't going to harm his game and he's going to get guaranteed starts.
     
  4. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    Turner would earn more as a backup in the Premier League than as a starter in Ligue 1 or Bundesliga, a lot more.
     
  5. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think we can all understand that players are going to have to make the best personal choice for themselves and their families; simultaneously, it should also be understood, from a fan perspective, we should argue for what would be best for the player’s development, legacy, and the progression of our team.

    That said, the best thing for Matt Turner’s development, legacy, and progression of our team would be to play in another big 5 league where he can play and continue to develop as a goalkeeper.

    At 30, for a goalkeeper, he’s not in the twilight of his career, rather, he is actually entering into his prime years. He should still be pushing himself to be at his highest level.
     
  6. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    Yeah, the go to another “top 5” league idea often isn’t as simple as it seems. I’d be surprised if Turner leaves England next season.
     
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  7. iad_22201

    iad_22201 Member+

    Jan 2, 2009
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Matt Turner has been so poor this season he would struggle to find any club in a top 5 league that would be interested in his services as a starting keeper.
     
  8. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ledezma will land in a good spot even if he doesnt play for PSV..no need for him to go back to MLS
     
  9. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He was decent rotation player at NYCFC. Definitely not a lock starter.
     
  10. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Its weird when we have a data point of how a player actually did in MLS, and somebody implies he's "too good" for MLS.

    We just saw it with our own damn eyes. Another one? Matthew Hoppe.

    I would say about 80% of that list of "come back to MLS" is made of guys who aren't good enough for MLS. Demonstrably.

    I'll just pick one. Jonathan Tomkinson is a rotation player for an average League 2 team in England.
    How great must somebody's inferiority complex about our domestic league be to suggest he's anywhere close to good enough for MLS. Hell, I'm not sure he's good enough for the USL Championship.
     
  11. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    What's going on with Erik Palmer-Brown's career?
     
  12. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, as of recently, Jonathan Tomkinson was considered to be a candidate for starter on our Olympic team. Either he’s good enough for MLS or the future of our USMNT is not as good as hyped.
     
  13. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    He apparently had a significant health issue.

    Last I saw, he'd been out essentially the whole year with Bone Marrow Edema (BME)
    Doesn't sound fun at all.

    So its not been some problem with his ability or performance that's kept him out of game action in Greece.
     
  14. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
     
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  15. HScoach13

    HScoach13 Member+

    Nov 30, 2016
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Tessman will move if Venezia does not promote. Probably Serie A.
    Max Dietz will move Bundesliga teams want him.
     
  16. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Venezia are currently in good position to qualify for the promotion play-offs semi-finals.


    That could give them a chance to make the Serie A but unfortunately, only 1 out of 4 teams get promoted.
     
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  17. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    need a new wave of yanks in top leagues....been kinda the usual suspects for a while now without many new faces via stateside

    its a good group in europe now (obviously) but would be great if there was another crop coming through..because even though the euro success of current americans is unprecedented.....been stagnant in terms of growth for a while now
     
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  18. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wouldn’t be surprised to see dest loan called off after acl tear . Barcelona will have to eat that last year then he’s a free agent
     
  19. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I hear ya. The number of players we have in the Prem is way down, lower than it has been in probably 20 years. (Well maybe not so much that the number of players is low; rather, their minutes played is really low.)

    There may be a bit of a Yogi Berra “nobody goes there anymore it’s too crowded” situation. Since the USMNT is almost entirely Europe based, moving from MLS to Europe isn’t the fast track to the Nats it once was. So for players, one reason to move out of MLS is to show the US manager that they can play at a higher level, and that’s not really a sure thing for a player anymore.

    And with MLS pay going up so much, it’s not like the money is necessarily better in Europe. Unless it’s England or an elite club elsewhere they’ll make more in MLS.
     
  20. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    #1970 Clint Eastwood, Apr 24, 2024
    Last edited: Apr 24, 2024
    I'd also argue that we may see first is the group of young players already in Europe take the "next step."
    Paredes, Paxten Aaronson, Yow, Slonina, Booth, Kochen, etc. etc.

    I mean, we just had a U19/U20 camp. Half of that team is already in Europe. And that was without Keyrol Figueroa of Liverpool and other high-profile youngsters. They won't all take the next step to being USMNT regulars, but some will. At our last U17 camp we even had players in Europe. Axel Perez of Lyon, formerly of Inter Miami, for instance.

    Kids are leaving early enough now that we have to wait a little while for them to develop there.

    Players like Reynolds and Tessmann were pretty raw when they left FC Dallas. We have to give them time to develop, and they can develop on different timelines. Not every player is going to explode out of the gate like Christian Pulisic. Some may take a while, like Haji Wright.

    We have a wave of young players moving to Europe.
    Much of it happens behind the scenes without the headlines or fanfare of a Cavan Sullivan.
    Only 8 of the 24 players at that U19/U20 camp had signed MLS homegrown contracts.
     
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  21. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    .............and just like that, here's a potential example. Yow's had a very successful breakout year in Belgium, as well as the US U23s, and now apparently another move may be in the cards. [I highly doubt he'll come back to MLS, and some responses to this tweet from "insiders" suggest that's the case. Of course MLS clubs should be interested. THey should always be.]
     
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  22. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    I mean, Adam posts this about every three weeks, so it's more about his impatience overall.

    There's been a bit of a momentary pause for a variety of reasons. One is that after the initial success of our very best players, there was a bit of a land rush where teams overbought. Guys like Reynolds and others -- I'd put Busio and Tessman in there as well, and even Pepi was an overpay at least for Augsburg -- and so there's been a bit of a pullback.

    The other is COVID, both on the developmental end but also on the economics. This January window had so much less movement, period. Young guys you might have expected to go like a Buck or a Cremaschi or Caleb Wiley simply didn't. This is also why Vazquez and Cowell are in Mexico and not in "Europe" -- because they are getting paid more than they'd get in Europe. Same with Miles Robinson, frankly.

    And the last point is simple: going to Belgium or something is neither economically nor even quality of play necessarily a better move. Guys like Sam Vines or George Bello or Chris Durkin ... those kind of guys without top end upside or likelihood of reaching it ... the calculation changes.
     
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  23. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We certainly haven't had a teenage phenom like Pulisic or Reyna, who happen to have a EU passport, for a few years.

    We are also struggling to find consistent top-flight keepers.

    Premier League Appearances
    American eligible outfield players

    2004/05 - 82
    2005/06 - 104
    2006/07 - 151
    2007/08 - 161
    2008/09 - 44
    2009/10 - 98
    2010/11 - 111
    2011/12 - 85
    2012/13 - 86
    2013/14 - 74
    2014/15 - 39
    2015/16 - 55
    2016/17 - 40
    2017/18 - 75
    2018/19 - 60
    2019/20 - 41
    2020/21 - 74
    2021/22 - 50
    2022/23 - 180
    2023/24 - 108
     
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  24. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    #1974 gogorath, Apr 24, 2024
    Last edited: Apr 24, 2024
    Reyna was born in 2002. Pepi was born in 2003; maybe he's not good enough. Slonina is a 2004, but he's a keeper. 2005s are 19; 2006s are 18. We know 2004 and 2006 were kind of weak classes.

    I think the expectation of an American-born star happening every year at the Pulisic / Reyna level is a bit out of whack because at most, we have 4 of those guys. And yes, 2 1998s and a 1999, but then a 2002. I guess Richards is in Europe, but if he counts, so does Pepi.

    I think in general we just give a lot more credit to second division players in Europe. We're really talking about a player here or there.

    We really had a run of keepers way above our talent level. I'm not sure what is the normal, really.

    As long as the numbers are this low, one or two players can affect this so much. This is basically Leeds going down and Pulisic getting sold, right?
     
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  25. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Aaronson, Pulisic and McKennie leaving and Adams and Ream getting injured.
     
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