USMNT Transfer Watch - Movers and Shakers

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by Eleven Bravo, Jan 11, 2021.

  1. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    Emi Martinez had less than 70 career first team caps until he got to Aston Villa when he was 28. His highest cap number was 18, in the Championship.

    Then he won a World Cup.
     
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  2. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Its one of those things.
    He played well for a 17-18 year old in MLS.
    At the time he was the youngest ever starting keeper in MLS.
    The guy was 4th in MLS' 22 under 22 in 2022. That's a tounge-twister.

    As prospects go, he was a very good prospect. But just like looking at an MLB list of top prospects, only a portion of them make it into becoming stars.

    Playing well in MLS for an 18 year old is different than being one of the best keepers in the league regardless of age. Which he wasn't...........................(just like Duran Ferree isn't now).
     
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  3. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    This was mentioned in the MLS thread, but let's put it here as well.
    Report: Dynamo acquiring Duncan McGuire from Orlando City | Reuters

    The Houston Dynamo are acquiring American striker Duncan McGuire from Orlando City, The Athletic reported Thursday.

    In exchange ‌for the 25-year-old McGuire, Orlando will receive $1.25 million in general allocation money and $1.15 million in targeted allocation money in performance-based incentives. The Lions also will ⁠retain a sell-on clause.
     
  4. BMWDeuce

    BMWDeuce Member

    AC Milan
    United States
    Aug 15, 2024
    Pretty much. My point was more people saw the age and didnt realize how much he had to work on. Which isnt a big deal. The big deal is he hasn't been able too because of bad loans (Eupen) and injury (which led to him falling down the pecking order even at Chelsea)

    I think people expected him to be ready to go to Strasbourg after Eupen. He looked good early at Barnsley but the issues he has as a player (namely decision making coming off his line) really started to show before the wrist injury.

    But again, not uncommon for keepers to emerge later. Just needs to find a place to play
     
  5. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But this is why he probably should have stayed in Chicago versus going to Chelsea. He continues to work on things and improve his game and makes a move when he’s more ready.

    For a young goalie if you have starting job at a decent level I’d be loathe to give that up to go somewhere that playing time would be much more questionable.
     
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  6. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Meh. Its a difficult one. We want our players "reaching for the stars."
    You can't blame Chicago for accepting that transfer fee, and you can't blame Slonina for accepting a 2 million dollar a year contract.

    I'm sure when Slonina was talking to Chelsea, they'd laid out an attractive "development plan" for him. It probably did involve some initial steps up the ladder on loans.

    I just didn't work out.

    As I said previously, goalkeeper is just a different beast. You need to be playing, but where do you go in Europe for that guarantee of playing?? You have to be very wary about that jump to Europe when you have a good thing going in MLS.

    It seems like a risky propisition. If a team is going to pay you millions of dollars a year, then its going to be hard to turn down.

    Gavin Beavers wasn't actually playing in MLS and made the jump to a European club. Now he's not playing at the European club either. So............................

    Predicting future success for young goalkeepers seems to be a fools errand. I've been failing pretty successfully and spectacularly at that for 30 years. Go ahead and place a bet on Kochen starting for us at WC30 if you want. Based on recent trends, you might place a better bet on Michael Collodi. A 4-year starter at Columbia! Not Colombia, but Columbia.

    The two guys who played for us at WC26 were NCAA players at Fairfield and Harvard.
     
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  7. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Eredivisie increases salaries for non-EU players:

     
  8. Grumpy in LA

    Grumpy in LA Bringing It Since 1807™

    Sep 10, 2007
    Chicago
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So that means fewer US players going to the Eredivisie, probably.
     
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  9. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe MLS should by a Portuguese second division club, as Portugal has the least restrictions on non EU players. Send some of our youngsters over there for a year to train and play competitively.
     
  10. Grumpy in LA

    Grumpy in LA Bringing It Since 1807™

    Sep 10, 2007
    Chicago
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Whatever the sporting or financial merits of this idea, I endorse it wholeheartedly just for the popcorn viewing. Oh, the meltdowns and handwringing from everyone everywhere.

    Especially if MLS as a league buys the team rather than some individual MLS ownership doing it.
     
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  11. Grumpy in LA

    Grumpy in LA Bringing It Since 1807™

    Sep 10, 2007
    Chicago
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If they do it, i also advocate moving and renaming the club. Maybe SC Real Sporting Disney Plus FC.
     
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  12. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    not Portuguese but a few years ago Bordeaux would have fit that like a glove before administration
     
  13. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Basically, not much is changing here with regards to the Eredivisie. They just raise this salary floor for non-EU players year after year. According to that article, it was 530k around 2009 and was up to 609k last year. Now its being set for this year at 630k for players over the age of 20. Its probably keeping up with inflation.........................

    What are the effects of that? A non-EU player has to be a starting caliber player like Ricardo Pepi.

    Its almost irrelevant for much of the league. Look at the salaries in the bottom half of the Eredivisie.

    Sometimes I see data that doesn't match any of this and I don't get it. Esmir Bajraktarevic was 20 last year and 21 now. His listed salary is 390k. So what' gives? Bosnia isn't part of the EU. Why is he not paid at that elevated level now?
     
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  14. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

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    United States
    May 12, 2019
    Are you really asking why some third party website hasn't update Esmir's salary the second the news comes out?
     
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  15. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't know if this is the right thread but since he is now old enough to transfer to Man City and go out on loan, and everyone is hoping Cavan breaks out next cycle, I for one am quite concerned his coming major development window will be via Man City.

    Now maybe he lights up MLS, and goes and breaks into City at 18 which is a massive leap. If that happens, great. But man if he starts getting loaned out to the continent I don't like that. Almost never works out as well as breaking thru at the owning club.
     
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  16. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    These are valid concerns. Look at Man City's roster........ how many 18 year olds are breaking into that team? Cavan has heaps of talent and drive. Man City is always going to be signing the best players every transfer window, and will always be looking to strengthen their squad.
     
  17. twoolley

    twoolley Member+

    Jan 3, 2008
    Theyve got a pretty good track record seems of kids playing for their u21s and developing fine no?
     
  18. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How many of those kids go on to play for Man City's senior team? Cavan didn't sign a pre-contract with Man City just to play for their U21 team.
     
  19. BMWDeuce

    BMWDeuce Member

    AC Milan
    United States
    Aug 15, 2024
    I think for Cavan the question is more which CFG team is he going on loan to and when
     
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  20. twoolley

    twoolley Member+

    Jan 3, 2008
    Also a decent likelihood he doesnt make it at man city so question is more how many players are successful in top 5 leagues that went through man city imo
     
  21. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Cole Palmer, Morgan Rogers, Liam Delap, James Trafford, Brahim Diaz, Eric Garcia, Michael Olise, Jeremie Frimpong, Angeliño to name a few.
     
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  22. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why is that an issue? If Cavan is good enough he will make it somewhere and the City association will open up doors across Europe.

    Take Malik Tillman as an example; He was on Bayern's books in the same class as Jamal Musiala and Tyler Booth. Currently all 3 have ended up at their right level.
     
  23. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Michael Olise is a stretch. He spent a season at City's youth Academy. The bulk of his youth was spent at Chelsea's Academy, and then Reading.

    Delap spent 10 years in Derby County's Academy before joining Man City's academy for a year.

    Angelino spent his youth sply between Galcia and Depo La Coruna in Spain. He was with Man City's youth setup all of two season..

    Eric Garcia is a product of La Masia

    Diaz spent the bulk of his youth with his hometown club Malaga, only staying in City's academy for a year.

    Morgan Rogers spent his youth career with West Brom. He was not apart of Man City's youth setup.

    Again, Cavan has heaps and heaps of talent and drive. He's going to play abroad. I don't know if he's going to actually play for Man City or one of CFG's clubs. All of the players Paul mentioned, most were loaned to teams outside of the CFG network. He'll likely be playing somewhere on the old continent for the 27/28 season.
     
  24. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What are man city’s fashionable pretend loan teams these days
     
  25. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Cavan will have spent several years at Philadelphia Union academy. He might spend a year at Man City then move. The examples above are relevant.
     

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